Reset time with xpansion. Lets deal with the cheating finally.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Was waiting for someone to bring up wow bad argument.

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* swims by, ignoring the bait *

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

* swims by, ignoring the bait *

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What bait? That's what you're hinting at. Go on.

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Because that's exactly what it is, cheating.

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It's not though.

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* the fisher tries desperately to catch the fish, unfortunately the fish doesn't give a damn and just swims away *

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cringe

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

What bait? That's what you're hinting at. Go on.



It's not though.

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* the fisher tries desperately to catch the fish, unfortunately the fish doesn't give a damn and just swims away *

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

Auto callouts, markings etc. destroyed dungeons and raids in WoW. Instead of playing the game, knowing the mechanics you just do what an addon yells at you. Using such things has devastating effects, and it's a HUGE advantage over other players.
It went so far that some fights now rely on you having the addon, and you cannot tell something is happening without the addon. This is a piss poor design and I support the complete ban of all these things.

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If you can't do it on console, it should be banned.

After reading through the rest of the thread, it's obvious many people have no idea how deep and powerful the rabbit hole goes with many of these mods. Teleporting to bosses. Executing mechanics for you. Invulnerability. A quick google search followed by a few minutes of research is all it takes. They all manipulate the games code running in RAM the same way more innocent ones do. These are not LUA addons or jpg files or innocent changes. A line has got to be drawn soon.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

If you can't do it on console, it should be banned.

After reading through the rest of the thread, it's obvious many people have no idea how deep and powerful the rabbit hole goes with many of these mods. Teleporting to bosses. Executing mechanics for you. Invulnerability. A quick google search followed by a few minutes of research is all it takes. They all manipulate the games code running in RAM the same way more innocent ones do. These are not LUA addons or jpg files or innocent changes. A line has got to be drawn soon.

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So most mouse and keyboard programs would cause bans. Discord would be a ban till next year sometime. "You can't do it on console so it should be banned" is stupidly limiting to the point it is impossible to enforce.

The only real cheating in FFXIV is voice callouts for boss castbar a fraction of a second before it appears on screen, and not that many people use them because the advantage is only on the cutting edge. Markings used to be a thing but they stopped that during Shadowbringers. There are no automated players besides gil bots, and trying to automate a rotation would probably go quite badly. I'm not sure what you're trying to resolve.

There have been other stuff before that saw players banned but not for a long time. Other third party software is mostly just DPS meters, minor quality of life hacks and visual mods. Cheating is not a problem in FFXIV.

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So most mouse and keyboard programs would cause bans. Discord would be a ban till next year sometime. "You can't do it on console so it should be banned" is stupidly limiting to the point it is impossible to enforce.

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Mouse and keyboard programs that do what? Allow you to set up macros so that a single key press executes multiple key commands? Absolutely. As they are in many other games.

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After reading through the rest of the thread, it's obvious many people have no idea how deep and powerful the rabbit hole goes with many of these mods. Teleporting to bosses. Executing mechanics for you. Invulnerability. They all manipulate the games code running in RAM the same way more innocent ones do.

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Nobody on reddit or the Balance discord raiding community has ever reported seeing any of this, but someone rolls up on THM claiming they know the truth about some huge cheating phenomenon going on in raids constantly.

Yeah right.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Mouse and keyboard programs that do what? Allow you to set up macros so that a single key press executes multiple key commands? Absolutely. As they are in many other games.

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Impossible to enforce. I have not actually played any game which banned such programs and I've played pretty much every single major MMO out there. You'd also have to flat out ban specific peripherals. No MMO mice, no gaming keypads, and so many more.

Not going to lie I never got why people care so much about cheating outside of a competition or something. Life is way too short to waste so much energy on a personal level. All we can do is make SE aware but the reality is not much they can really do. If scan your PC no matter how common it is even for web browsers I really do not see SE going out of their way to destroy tye moving community.

Life is short enjoy or don't but getting annoyed or upset over what they are not doing is honestly wasted energy.