FFXIV's technical limitations are beginning to concern me.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

These are the 3 issues that I mostly agree with that are systemic. Every single FF14 vet saying things like "restrictions of the 1.0 code" or "spaghetti code" 7 YEARS later is pretty damn concerning. Telling people not to be concerned about how bad the Mogstation is designed because Final Fantasy 11 had a worse one is just horrible excuses to fall back on.

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Eh, I think you're conflating a few unrelated things here. Players who have been around for a while know that there are underlying data and coding issues that hold the current game back. We've heard it from the developers many times and seen how it impacts the game many times. Someone pointing that out is just relaying fact. It's a rebuttal to the parade of people who come through demanding that the developers just do something different or "better" or to "just take a feature from Game X and put it into FF14!" It's not anywhere near that simple even in situations where a game isn't as handicapped on the backend as FF14 is, and everyone who has been around for a while should know that. YoshiP and his team aren't perfect, but they're not idiots and they have limitations of time/money/resources to work with even if you somehow ignore the "spaghetti code". If it was as easy as just flipping a switch or plugging in a line of code to "fix" all of the problems, they would do it.

All that said, however, that doesn't mean pointing that out makes anyone happy with the situation.

The fact is YoshiP and the team could fix most or even all of the current problems, yes, but it would likely mean essentially putting the game into maintenance mode for at least a year though likely more. So if you really want them to fix the backend and coding issues, create new systems that work off of the new coding and databases in smoother ways, upgrade character models and textures, etc. that's fine, but then you're also agreeing to getting essentially no new content at all for however long it takes them to do that. And if SE was considering this degree of work, there's just as big a chance they would rather just develop an entirely new game.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Then put it on vendors. I don't carry anything that a vendor has. You still ignored the fact that the game doesn't respect my time by making go spend another 30 mins.

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One might ask why you even play. Play videogames, watching movies or reading books is often wasting time.

I want to be at least slightly 'inconvenienced' otherwise every achievement would feel hollow. I don't necessarily agree with very low drop rates, though. But being able to buy everything from a vendor would make it very boring to me.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Then put it on vendors. I don't carry anything that a vendor has. You still ignored the fact that the game doesn't respect my time by making go spend another 30 mins. And SE is the one who benefits the most from this in actual real world dollars.

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So, it's too hard to send out your warrior/caster retainer, using 1 venture coin, to go fetch you fleece ?!?

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I want to be at least slightly 'inconvenienced' otherwise every achievement would feel hollow. I don't necessarily agree with very low drop rates, though. But being able to buy everything from a vendor would make it very boring to me.

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You are confusing working/earning something versus inconvenience. This changes from player to player so probably hard to pin down where the line is. I would hope new content feels earned where four year old stuff feels like a chore. But maybe that isn't the same for you.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

So, it's too hard to send out your warrior/caster retainer, using 1 venture coin, to go fetch you fleece ?!?

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A couple of things maybe you weren't reading very well it was early. The point was to only have 2 free retainers, next point was recipe bloat, and finally about respecting players time. Some one from 2015 should be able to do the basic math on that.




We can just be honest SE wants as much money as possible. It doesn't matter if they design certain elements to create extra cash flow. A percentage of the player base is fine with those practices. No excuses or lies, it is the same reason seasonal stuff is moved to the cash shop. If they hadn't monetized seasonal items when they had been pressed for time they could have just rerun an old event. I can respect desire to make as much money as possible, I don't have to like it. Just don't pretend they have exhausted all options and it is the players fault.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

The fact is YoshiP and the team could fix most or even all of the current problems, yes, but it would likely mean essentially putting the game into maintenance mode for at least a year though likely more. So if you really want them to fix the backend and coding issues, create new systems that work off of the new coding and databases in smoother ways, upgrade character models and textures, etc. that's fine, but then you're also agreeing to getting essentially no new content at all for however long it takes them to do that. And if SE was considering this degree of work, there's just as big a chance they would rather just develop an entirely new game.

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ya... like the transition period from 1.0 to 2.0.
which honestly; I'll be fine if they did that again since it wasn't the first time that I could take a year or two break from a mmorpg and not miss a beat in endgame content, I mean I do have a life outside of this game after all just like we all do. so I don't see the big deal is for them to do this other then money but let's be real here: a majority of players here will still remain subbed and continue playing through the product even when there is an extensive "end game content drought" period that last for about a year or two, especially when you considering that most players still haven't even obtained the Amaro mount (26%) or even the "Multifaceted" title (30%) both of which were released in 5.0. which is about 2+ years old now. this means that even during such a long extensive period of endgame drought there is plenty of content left ingame that you can explore and do so it won't be as bad as it was formerly. if though you want to something to do then they can always just release events here and there to give players stuff to do during this time, like another moogle treasure or re-releasing old event like GARO, Lightning Returns or whatnot events since it's just basically turning those events back on.

it won't be as bad as you might think it would be or make it out to be.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

The fact is YoshiP and the team could fix most or even all of the current problems, yes, but it would likely mean essentially putting the game into maintenance mode for at least a year though likely more. So if you really want them to fix the backend and coding issues, create new systems that work off of the new coding and databases in smoother ways, upgrade character models and textures, etc. that's fine, but then you're also agreeing to getting essentially no new content at all for however long it takes them to do that. And if SE was considering this degree of work, there's just as big a chance they would rather just develop an entirely new game.

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What, exactly, is the alternative - that a large portion of us just give up glamming? In fact, that a large portion of us destroy the stuff we've worked hard to collect just so we can loot basic gear upgrades from dungeons (let alone ever buying something from the store again)?

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Again, for people (not Strider specifically) who don't get it:

• The team markets glamming as a significant part of the endgame.
• They constantly roll out new items in the store that cost money. Nobody is destroying those items if they buy them. You'd have to be an utter fool to do that.
• Appealing dungeon sets are often insanely hard to acquire in-full, making it very poor time management to go destroying them if you've invested 10+ hours of grinding to acquire a certain look.
• Regular, utilitarian gear competes for the same slots as glamours do.
• The game is founded on the principle of leveling multiple - and perhaps even all - the jobs to the current cap. That means that you are acquiring gear and glams for 2, 3, 4... 7... whatever jobs.

Stop accusing us of hoarding. It's not hoarding. It's playing the god damned game. And until such time as that stops being the game, then they need to upgrade FFXIV to accommodate the dominant playstyle of most casual players. This is not rocket science. It should be priority one; should have been priority one 1+ years ago; and to say that it was disheartening to read that they don't even view it as a priority moving forward is the biggest understatement in the history of the title. This needs to be fixed NOW, whatever the cost in manpower, treasure or content. This IS content.

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Originally Posted by znushu

ya... like the transition period from 1.0 to 2.0.
which honestly; I'll be fine if they did that again since it wasn't the first time that I could take a year or two break from a mmorpg and not miss a beat in endgame content, I mean I do have a life outside of this game after all just like we all do. so I don't see the big deal is for them to do this other then money but let's be real here: a majority of players here will still remain subbed and continue playing through the product even when there is an extensive "end game content drought" period that last for about a year or two, especially when you considering that most players still haven't even obtained the Amaro mount (26%) or even the "Multifaceted" title (30%) both of which were released in 5.0. which is about 2+ years old now. this means that even during such a long extensive period of endgame drought there is plenty of content left ingame that you can explore and do so it won't be as bad as it was formerly. if though you want to something to do then they can always just release events here and there to give players stuff to do during this time, like another moogle treasure or re-releasing old event like GARO, Lightning Returns or whatnot events since it's just basically turning those events back on.

it won't be as bad as you might think it would be or make it out to be.

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You are right in some ways. There are absolutely players who would have no issues with that, especially if given a timeline for intended completion. On the other hand, though, we already have players who whine and moan about a lack of new, interesting, engaging content a week after a planned patch. We have players who claim COVID should have had no impact at all on the content development of the game. We have players who already complain when a holiday event doesn't have enough of a differentiation in cool new rewards or content from a previous iteration of the event. Heck, just look at the people in the recent "Should Garo come back?" thread where half of the respondents are just "Nah, you had your chance to do it, they should do something new instead." Just because you would be happy with it doesn't mean everyone will be, and it doesn't mean it's a hassle SE wants to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

What have you been punished for getting rid of?

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50/60/70/80 dungeons and alliance roulettes do not have a pity drop system. Any piece of gear I chuck from the swallows compass (for example) is a piece I literally potentially might not be able to get back.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

1. Glam counts can't be expanded.
2. New players can only roll on certain servers during extremely limited windows.
3. Current players see intermittent alt creation restrictions.
4. The website 'runs out' of digital copies of the game.
5. There's almost always a queue.
6. There are always restrictions in place on marriages.
7. The mogstation is a clunky mess (albeit slightly improved) that feels like it dates from 2005.
8. There are weird systems for everything: retainers, crafting, gear swaps, glamour (the prisms, the plates, the dresser, the armoire).

Please, Square-Enix - now is the time. Reinvest in this game.

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This post lists so many subjects that have been lunped together under "technical" and which concerns so many different systems.

First of all, I don't know of any development company in any domain that would say that they have enough resources. No one does. Period. They need to prioritize their requests, in some case they have roadmaps planned out years ahead, sometimes a request is struck off if it is too old, in other cases I have seen requests lingering for years.

In your list, it is therefore very likely that 1 through 8 have very different priorities and (for example) your 1 is a "low" priority BUT "5" is a "medium" (my queue times are fine) however there are plans in place for EW. But sorry - no plans for now for glams!

I don't see signs of a company in serious trouble - I don't see how you do. Signs of a couple in serious trouble include servers crashing, no support, accounts being compromised, and no future development plans.

A lot of what you are listing is QOL improvements (marriages for example). Personally I don't give a damn about marriages- but hey maybe a million users DO care. Priorities again- since some people can get married now.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

This post lists so many subjects that have been lunped together under "technical" and which concerns so many different systems.

First of all, I don't know of any development company in any domain that would say that they have enough resources. No one does. Period. They need to prioritize their requests, in some case they have roadmaps planned out years ahead, sometimes a request is struck off if it is too old, in other cases I have seen requests lingering for years.

In your list, it is therefore very likely that 1 through 8 have very different priorities and (for example) your 1 is a "low" priority BUT "5" is a "medium" (my queue times are fine) however there are plans in place for EW. But sorry - no plans for now for glams!

I don't see signs of a company in serious trouble - I don't see how you do. Signs of a couple in serious trouble include servers crashing, no support, accounts being compromised, and no future development plans.

A lot of what you are listing is QOL improvements (marriages for example). Personally I don't give a damn about marriages- but hey maybe a million users DO care. Priorities again- since some people can get married now.

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They never did explain what the marriage restrictions they see are.

As there are no actual restrictions other than be on same server.