Can we get normal manly males ?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Meanwhile Golbez being a muscular man-chad, same with jecht and auron.

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Plus Snow and Gladio, both handsome brutes.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

“It’s always been this way, and it doesn’t need to change” is the Prime symptom of the Final Fantasy disease, and that mindset is what is responsible for 1.0.

I’d rather see this game constantly adapt and improve, rather than get tired and full from doing things because “that’s just how Final Fantasy is”

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Ditto - this mentality towards this game irks me to no end.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

“It’s always been this way, and it doesn’t need to change” is the Prime symptom of the Final Fantasy disease, and that mindset is what is responsible for 1.0.

I’d rather see this game constantly adapt and improve, rather than get tired and full from doing things because “that’s just how Final Fantasy is”

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I think FF XIV does pretty well with diversifying playable and non playable characters. Still, our character creator is stuck in 2013. They haven't expanded on it much, if at all since then aside from adding new races. Something's gotta give eventually, since even NPCs suffer as a result because they seem to be designed with what we the players have available to us, at least for the most part.

I'm going to say it because it'll sound pretty controversal, but we really didn't need Viera and Hrothgar. At least not at the time they were released or yet even. I'm perfectly fine with the option of getting more 'manly males' or even more 'manly females'. What I mean to get at is, I would have liked to get more options for character customization before getting more races after Au Ra.

I also find it funny about the stereotype of Miqo'te men being twinks. While they are small yes, having a look at my character they have a rhomboid body type that a muscular man would have. They have a bit of fat on them but they aren't exactly what I would call a twink.

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Originally Posted by KylePearlsand

I'm going to say it because it'll sound pretty controversal, but we really didn't need Viera and Hrothgar. At least not at the time they were released or yet even. I'm perfectly fine with the option of getting more 'manly males' or even more 'manly females'. What I mean to get at is, I would have liked to get more options for character customization before getting more races after Au Ra.

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I would disagree. Their additions were most welcome. However, they were both clearly released unfinished. That was and still is the issue. Wouldn't complain about having more options for other races though, but I think they probably designed themselves into a corner. They most likely need to fix what they did before moving on to other things.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I would disagree. Their additions were most welcome. However, they were both clearly released unfinished. That was and still is the issue. Wouldn't complain about having more options for other races though, but I think they probably designed themselves into a corner. They most likely need to fix what they did before moving on to other things.

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Don't get me wrong, they were welcomed additions. But I think a world of good would have been done had they updated the creator and then released both races as completed. They did have stormblood to do so after all.

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Originally Posted by KylePearlsand

Don't get me wrong, they were welcomed additions. But I think a world of good would have been done had they updated the creator and then released both races as completed. They did have stormblood to do so after all.

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Tbh i feel like even if they didn’t add them, we still wouldn’t have gotten an updated character customization. They’ve typically resorted to falling back on blaming the engine as to why there’d certain customization changes they can’t do. I’m sure had they not released the races back then, they’d still be using the same reasoning. Ofc this is speculation but its in line with what we’ve seen with many things.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Probably because a lot of glams too are more pertaining to female characters. It seems like they take much more time on female gear than they do the males, it’s very telling on certain glams. Usually healer and caster gear. It makes them look really weird and disjointed on males and it doesn’t help that they don’t seem to adjust gear based on actual racial body types. Probably more muh engine problems.

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There just isn't a lot of cool looking stuff for male characters. I'd like to say it's because it's an eastern game, but I've seen cool looking outfits/armors in eastern products. I do feel like a lot of stuff is designed with females in mind first though.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

To be fair, the statement that you're responding to isn't even necessarily true in the first place. Final Fantasy games have had plenty of attractive men that are classically handsome rather than 'pretty'. Jecht, Snow, Gladio, Golbez and many others.

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Thing is, I wouldn't really consider the playable males in this game "pretty" in the first place. To me, they are neither "pretty" or "classically handsome". Unfortunately, I think they did try to make pretty boys when it came to male viera, and I don't really like how that came out.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There just isn't a lot of cool looking stuff for male characters. I'd like to say it's because it's an eastern game, but I've seen cool looking outfits/armors in eastern products. I do feel like a lot of stuff is designed with females in mind first though.

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It’s kind of funny to me in a way because Yoshi has talked more and more about equality with glams and stuff this expansion yet this expansion has probably been one of the worse in terms of males getting absolutely shafted when it comes to things like glams or hairstyles. With things like the 2b set being a thing and not having a male counterpart to just a lot of glams again, being feminine. I really hope it changes in 6.0 but i’ve kind of lost hope at this point that it will.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Plus Snow and Gladio, both handsome brutes.

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The fact that I can't remake Gladio in this game is a travesty.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I would not consider the facial option I use or the "older" face they have effeminate in the slightest. .

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I consider every Au Ra male face, except for the old man one, to be more or less classically Biseinen(Bishōnen but fully adult). When I was Au Ra male for a couple of years on my main, I used the young looking one, as I liked those horns best (also on my Raen alt on Sargatanas). Though I generally like the one Theodric use's face a bit better. I don't think their more slender, smooth faces are a bad thing, nor the fact that they are slightly less manly than the other manly options in game . I just find the complaint funny, cause in my eyes, OP has more manly options available already. (If I had to do a hierarchy of masculinity it'd go something like Roe Male = Highlander > Hrothgar > Au Ra M > Midlander >= Catboi > Bunny Boi from what we've seen > Lalafell) - (Of these I've played Roe, Highlander, and Au Ra for years at a time. I tried Midlander and Miqote and could only stand them for about a week).

I think y'all basically want Biseinens with muscle sliders heh. Not a bad thing to want. I'd very much like to not have to hide jawline weirdness with facial hair, but that is the option I've got for my favorite race/clan/face combo.

I also think that Highlander faces all play out better outside of the character creator and in motion. A large reason why I stopped being Au Ra, other than being purely sentimental/attached, was that I liked the emotes that Highlander male faces convey, as I feel they convey situations within the story responses more accurately to my own face/how I feel etc. That and... Male Au Ra run like lanky catboi and have very slender hips.