Please SE, do something about housing

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Originally Posted by Awha

Regards to the health concerns, I think people were referring to any possible health concerns one may have regarding what people compete with when it comes to plots. Might just be me but if someone wants to endlessly click for hours at a time that is on them what happens because of it is on them. Since we cannot know for certain how many people cheat it does seem unfair to limit the window as to when people can try for a plot due health issues or injuries or cheating. Keeping the timer an rng within 24 hour window is not horrible as people try to make it out to be.

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SE has set this up in a way that if you're not endlessly clicking, you will most likely not win a house if there is competition around. Yes, ultimately it is on the individual to decide if that is worth it to them, but that's what typically has to be done if you want a house. It's pretty bad all around.

If they can't fix housing in any substantial way, I'd rather see a lottery system get implemented. Put the demolished house on a 24 hour timer (or whatever timer they want) and let people put their name in for it. Perhaps limit this to one "ticket" per account at a time in order to prevent people from sending all their mules to put their names in. Obviously this could benefit people who have multiple accounts, but I don't believe most people keep up more than one subscription. But yes, that would allow a good amount of people the chance to find the plot and take a stab at it without needing to mindlessly click a placard for hours.

A lottery system typically gets a lot of hate around here whenever it gets brought up. Amusingly enough, one of the reasons being it would give more people a chance at the house. From my (limited) experience, the largest crowd I ran across was maybe 30 people. Typically it was around 10 or so. So yeah, those willing to camp are probably far less than those who would happily just go click the placard to submit a ticket, so there will be more competition, but I feel this would be the better option.

Do you know why this "lottery" idea is basically a laughing stock?
Who ever is promoting the idea is totally ignoring the fact that people will relocate from different plot.
How is this "lottery" system is going to work?
Are you telling me that people should lost their right to relocate to a better plot?
Do you really thinks these devs have never thought of that?
They decided on this random timer system after they weighted pros and cons.
Have you even thought of that?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Do you know why this "lottery" idea is basically a laughing stock?
Who ever is promoting the idea is totally ignoring the fact that people will relocate from different plot.
How is this "lottery" system is going to work?
Are you telling me that people should lost their right to relocate to a better plot?

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Honestly, I'd still take that over what it is now. I've been part of a group of people camping for hours and then someone randomly drops by and relocates to the house. It sucks and is incredibly annoying, but it is what it is.

With the lottery, you put your name in, and while someone could still still swoop in half-way through the timer and relocate to the house, at least you haven't wasted a chunk of your time standing by a placard and not moving.

Is either situation ideal? Not at all. But I'd rather take the one that still allows me to do other things while waiting for the possibility of claiming a house.

Lottery system is fine and dandy, and as anotber poster mentioned it was considered. A lottery system makes it murky with relocation possibly other reasons that made it ao SE choose the timer system instead.

Personally I have no dog in this race cause I have plots but if I didn't have a plot I would rather the endless clicking method because at the very least I have some control over my chances. Not a huge fan of pure RNG systems cause if someone has the chance to roll zero someone will.

What we have is far from perfect, but why change it because people go to such extreme lengths to get a plot? If they were to change it I rather time go into finding a permanent fix instead of putting time into bandaid fixes.

I get clicking a placard is not fun and engaging gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Lottery system is fine and dandy, and as anotber poster mentioned it was considered. A lottery system makes it murky with relocation possibly other reasons that made it ao SE choose the timer system instead.

Personally I have no dog in this race cause I have plots but if I didn't have a plot I would rather the endless clicking method because at the very least I have some control over my chances. Not a huge fan of pure RNG systems cause if someone has the chance to roll zero someone will.

What we have is far from perfect, but why change it because people go to such extreme lengths to get a plot? If they were to change it I rather time go into finding a permanent fix instead of putting time into bandaid fixes.

I get clicking a placard is not fun and engaging gameplay.

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I do get that at least with the clicking option you are definitely more in control of the odds. I do also have a house as well, but I feel for those who don't. It's just such a limited system and annoying process.

When I was still on Balmung, I spent one weekend camping houses. This had been one of those times where the demo-timer had been reinstated recently, and so a lot of houses were becoming available all at once. I figured that would be my best shot, so why not!. It was definitely not my cup of tea and I would never do that again. I did end up moving to Coeurl a bit later, and I lucked out as they still had open houses at that time.

At this point, I'm just optimistically hoping that they are trying something new with Ishgard housing. For what it's worth, I do truly think that the devs love this game, and want the best for it...but that their hands are essentially tied when it comes to many things (including housing). I just wish it could be better.

After all these it should have been clear that housing will remain as is.
You can only hope for more wards and new areas.
Wait until Ishgard housing.
Perhaps they will consider adding again more wards to existing areas.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Honestly, I'd still take that over what it is now. I've been part of a group of people camping for hours and then someone randomly drops by and relocates to the house. It sucks and is incredibly annoying, but it is what it is.

With the lottery, you put your name in, and while someone could still still swoop in half-way through the timer and relocate to the house, at least you haven't wasted a chunk of your time standing by a placard and not moving.

Is either situation ideal? Not at all. But I'd rather take the one that still allows me to do other things while waiting for the possibility of claiming a house.

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Devs definitely do not agree and do not expect you to sit in front of the placecard doing nothing.
There is a reason why timer is set to be random from 1 to 72 hours.
It is random, they are expecting you to check on it every once a while.
In another word, it is not system, it is you mentally cornered yourself into it

I think that instanced housing is the way to go.

I know that people are against this due to the fact that they enjoy the community feel that wards bring, but I feel like very few people benefit from this. I've been living in the same house for over 4 years now in ward 1 of lavender hills and I've seen less than 5 neighbors in those 4 years. my house is right next to the MB and summoning bell too.

I've also had an FC home for 2 years and I haven't seen a single neighbor in those 2 years.

Thought process of clueless XIV players in 5 steps:

1: Housing is too expensive.
2: We want personal housing.
3: We want more wards.
4: Why am I not seeing any neighbors?
5: Replace everything with instanced housing.

You all got what you deserved with this timer. Careful what you wish for next time.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Thought process of clueless XIV players in 5 steps:

1: Housing is too expensive.
2: We want personal housing.
3: We want more wards.
4: Why am I not seeing any neighbors?
5: Replace everything with instanced housing.

You all got what you deserved with this timer. Careful what you wish for next time.

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While it's fun to try to group the opinions of tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people into 5 tidy points, it's rarely ever accurate. I've always been team-instanced housing.