The Devs have no idea what they are doing with FFXIV’s crafting and economics..

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

Look it's not that I "blame" crafters for RMT, it's that I think that kind of thinking, where lower MB prices causes more RMT, is false.

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Excluding the first weeks after a fresh patch, prices on the MB are already quite low.
Maybe different on your server but over here it is.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Excluding the first weeks after a fresh patch, prices on the MB are already quite low.
Maybe different on your server but over here it is.

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Compared to when I first started playing in late HW the prices on the MB are way lower. I'm saying since the amount of gil non-crafters/gathers are earning is the same/higher compared to the average MB prices is overall good thing as these people will be less likely to want to buy from a RMT.

I'm not asking for prices to be lower either. I'd say we're at a good spot on prices as if someone does want to start their level 80 gear grind they can cheaply do so.

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

I disagree with this idea. High priced desirable items on the market board causes RMT.

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Personally I'd have thought the idea of "hey giving 10$ to an RMT seller would get me a full lv80 melded crafter set and a full 480ilv DoW set, sweet deal!" would encourage RMT far more than "man, 10$ would barely buy me a few pieces, eh guess I'll farm Eden".

But maybe that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Personally I'd have thought the idea of "hey giving 10$ to an RMT seller would get me a full lv80 melded crafter set and a full 480ilv DoW set, sweet deal!" would encourage RMT far more than "man, 10$ would barely buy me a few pieces, eh guess I'll farm Eden".

But maybe that's just me.

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"Just run maps a few hours."

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Personally I'd have thought the idea of "hey giving 10$ to an RMT seller would get me a full lv80 melded crafter set and a full 480ilv DoW set, sweet deal!" would encourage RMT far more than "man, 10$ would barely buy me a few pieces, eh guess I'll farm Eden".

But maybe that's just me.

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I just don't see the kind of people who are willing to buy from RMT to care too much about how much they spend. Maybe more individuals might be more willing to buy from RMT but I'd say the overall amount of money being spent should go down because the main people who do support RMT will most likely do so even if they had to spend many times more.

Even if you could get 100 million gil for $1 I don't see the vast majority of players willing to buy but that would be a sign of much worse problems we're not even slightly close to having to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Nutshell

I just don't see the kind of people who are willing to buy from RMT to care too much about how much they spend. Maybe more individuals might be more willing to buy from RMT but I'd say the overall amount of money being spent should go down because the main people who do support RMT will most likely do so even if they had to spend many times more.

Even if you could get 100 million gil for $1 I don't see the vast majority of players willing to buy but that would be a sign of much worse problems we're not even slightly close to having to worry about.

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It actually comes down to time.

When it comes to RMT, it's by those who have spare money but not spare time, and the thing they want is locked behind an amount of in game currency that they, themselves, do not have the time to get.

Lower prices are less likely to lead to RMT (there's always going to be some) than high prices, simply because when the prices are low, it's far more likely to attain the gil you need through playing.

The closer the market prices are compared to the amount of gil that gets generated by the average player, the better overall the game is for a majority of players. As it stands, things are alright. Day 1 patch drops are still pretty ridiculous profit windows, and then they rapidly drop off to a steady point. I personally didn't make as much this patch as I have, but I also didn't put in the same amount of time. Compared to the 5.05 patch, I made about 20% of the gil with about 25% of the time investment, so a slight drop off, but frankly, I didn't seen the need to stockpile yet more gil this patch.

Gatherers need a little love, but the last time they held any real individual gil gain ability was when Scrips were limited, and you either used them for craft or gathering, which, by and large, I think most people hated at the time.

Probably won't be a popular post here, but I started playing FF14 in 2.3 and started leveling my crafters/gatherers in 2.4 because I wanted to be self reliant and make stuff for my friends, and repair my own gear. I find using the Market Board to be incredibly boring so I rarely sell things, if ever. I really don't know how some people check the Market Board six times a day constantly taking things down and adjusting prices. Personally I'm glad I have to spend less time grinding to make the things I want to make. Whether that be new gear (mostly for glamour I don't do any content above normal raids,) bardings/furniture, or just getting through the leveling process. I considered crafting to be a real chore back in ARR/HW, but now it's something I can relax and do for fun. Going out and gathering up all the supplies to make something is super satisfying, and knowing there is little to no chance I can fail at the craft is nice. I remember back in Heavensward I was trying to make a new tool and I miscalculated slightly and my craft broke. Or the procs weren't kind to me and it NQ'd at 85%. I'm glad all that stuff is gone. I feel for people who miss the ways things used to be, but for people like me it's something that saves me a lot of time and frustration.

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Originally Posted by Finalvalkyrie

Probably won't be a popular post here, but I started playing FF14 in 2.3 and started leveling my crafters/gatherers in 2.4 because I wanted to be self reliant and make stuff for my friends, and repair my own gear. I find using the Market Board to be incredibly boring so I rarely sell things, if ever. I really don't know how some people check the Market Board six times a day constantly taking things down and adjusting prices.

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Okay. So most people just click the history button in their retainer. You never have to actually go check the MB for selling. So people can be chatting or doing glamour and stuff in their room and still update their prices.

Idk why they are still making changes to crafting especially the recent patch.
Sometimes they should just let things be :(

I went to use my macro the other day and did not work because they removed stuff again..
Oh well, will remake new macros that should work until next patch, lol

Yes facts good point I'm always poor, I can't buy MB too much price........