Yoshi's post about client server and cheating

Ya I'm not so worried about the hacks, and honestly I used that wording in the title just to help get hits on the thread. This is the hart of my concern:

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We are not talking about "security". We are talking about the client having to wait for every input to be validated.
Example: you try to sell an item, the client sends the request to the server, wait, wait wait, the server sends it's okay and you see the item sold
While the client is waiting it doesn't allow any other item sold.
How it would be way better:
you try to sell an item, the item is gone right away, client sends the request to the server, on error the client gets a message and the action is undone (this should rarely happen as the client obviously also checks for untradeable, inventory space, etc.)
And of course you can sell another item right away without waiting.

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Basically give the client more control and validate things in larger chunks rather then every step in the path. You could validate a sale with an NPC when you leave the NPC rather then at at each item you sell. This alone would make the game feel much snappier. Its all an illusion that the client creates same as pathing. The issue is FFXIV does a terrible job letting the client handle many things that most MMO's do.

Bingo:

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While you are right that other games might suffer similar round times. Other games do not wait for server response or have algorythms which predict player behaviour such as movement and other things. It is not about how fast the server responds, that is an illusion given by predicting stuff client side and then cross checking with the server in certain intervals.

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Could not have summed it up any better then this.

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Originally Posted by Falcus

I'm suddenly reminded of the "falling through the floor" glitch with how you say it.
Except that wasn't a hack, it was an exploitable glitch that could be done without altering the client in any way or using any other programs other than FFXIV.
There was also the thing where you could glitch through walls which was basically the same thing as falling through the floor.

I remember seeing people doing that as far back as beta and people always called them "hackers" and saying they modded their clients. But I ended up running into one who decided to tell me how it was done and it involved no "hacks" at all.

The people who used this and then botted on the other hand were basically just botting. The bot didn't cause them to be able to attack from anywhere, it just attacked after they were put into place.

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Hey! I remember this! So funny that the people who used this "technique"/"strategy" got called out and shamed publicly (by me, mostly) and now are leaving the server!

Anyways, I don't know much about this computer mumble jumble, but I do recall seeing a team of RMTs basically hacking (?) / glitching (?) the shit out of this faction leve which spawns 15 or so karakul sheep. The main bot would start a leve, the rest leve-linked it, then the main bot popped quick stride, CS + shadow sear, aoe everything down, went back to aetheryte, restart leve - all the while ignoring QS, CS & SS timers.

Don't all skills get recharged automatically after finishing a leve? Think this is legit... well only the part about the skill recharge. Botting/RMT obviously is not allowed xD

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

Don't all skills get recharged automatically after finishing a leve?

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Is that really the case? Man, I should probably spam that leve from now on!

Ahh i miss the 50ish ms of latency in WoW ...

geez, im from asian country; south east asia, and my ping to Japan is around 200ms-300ms. Back in the days where WoW haven't launch their Oceanic servers(Oh please our cable goes to US first before reaching EU, there no way i play on EU servers) the ping is around 200ms-300ms and i still able to play well and no slight delays.

It's all about striking a balance.

Right now, its not balanced. If you want to make the game unhackable, shut down all the servers. Done. Perfectly secure. I can handle a couple botters around me. I cant handle a constant madening battle with the UI. I tought SE learned to tolerate some degree of belligerent behavior thanks to the good old windower.

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Originally Posted by bird

Hey! I remember this! So funny that the people who used this "technique"/"strategy" got called out and shamed publicly (by me, mostly) and now are leaving the server!

Anyways, I don't know much about this computer mumble jumble, but I do recall seeing a team of RMTs basically hacking (?) / glitching (?) the shit out of this faction leve which spawns 15 or so karakul sheep. The main bot would start a leve, the rest leve-linked it, then the main bot popped quick stride, CS + shadow sear, aoe everything down, went back to aetheryte, restart leve - all the while ignoring QS, CS & SS timers.

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Fun times on Trabia.

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Originally Posted by bird

Is that really the case? Man, I should probably spam that leve from now on!

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Yeah but there's also a cooldown... well there was last time I tried it.
I think it was something like every 10 minutes you can recharge your HP/MP and cooldown all skills.

*heads off to check*

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You must wait approximately 10 minutes before you may recover HP and MP again via aetheryte.

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So yeah can recharge your HP, MP and skills every 10 minutes.

they will be using cloud for item and its checks taking it off the main racks procs. I think they really focused on their netcode