Regarding Mentors in Mentor roulette, ''going offline'' than requeuing again

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Originally Posted by Spratchet

It is not "lazy" to ask what mechanics a fight has or how to be better at something. No-one in this game learned anything entirely on their own.

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While I agree with this sentiment in general, I think for hard fights (recent and current primals in particular) it's not fair to the other 7 members to go in blind. It doesn't display very much respect for other people's time. If they join a random group and say nothing they're wasting other people's time by contributing unnecessarily to wipes, and if they want a full rundown they could have easily googled any number of YouTube or written guides.

For easy to medium content I'm generally fine with giving them a tldr version or letting them figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

While I agree with this sentiment in general, I think for hard fights (recent and current primals in particular) it's not fair to the other 7 members to go in blind. It doesn't display very much respect for other people's time. If they join a random group and say nothing they're wasting other people's time by contributing unnecessarily to wipes, and if they want a full rundown they could have easily googled any number of YouTube or written guides.

For easy to medium content I'm generally fine with giving them a tldr version or letting them figure it out.

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For the most part, most pieces of content can be done with a quick summary, even some Extreme trials. I think a lot of people come to expect that while leveling up and are blindsided when something much harder comes along since they've been able to queue for everything since lvl 16 and have probably been able to complete things with little to no effort. So I mean, I get it.

So I am going to say this thread is probably why NA numbers for savage clears are so low, there really is no community sense to this game. A lot of people seem to thing that explaining a mechanic or helping players with something they are struggling with is burdensome and enabling lazy play. But then wouldn't expecting someone to make a detailed video guide to every mechanic of a raid also be enabling lazy players. After all they are doing the work to give you every moment of a raid that you wouldn't be able to finish otherwise. What would you do if they all said they weren't going to do it anymore, everyone has to go through themselves and figure it out?

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

So I am going to say this thread is probably why NA numbers for savage clears are so low, there really is no community sense to this game. A lot of people seem to thing that explaining a mechanic or helping players with something they are struggling with is burdensome and enabling lazy play. But then wouldn't expecting someone to make a detailed video guide to every mechanic of a raid also be enabling lazy players. After all they are doing the work to give you every moment of a raid that you wouldn't be able to finish otherwise. What would you do if they all said they weren't going to do it anymore, everyone has to go through themselves and figure it out?

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Learn it with a very insular raiding community that doesn't easily welcome newcomers?

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

While I agree with this sentiment in general, I think for hard fights (recent and current primals in particular) it's not fair to the other 7 members to go in blind. It doesn't display very much respect for other people's time. If they join a random group and say nothing they're wasting other people's time by contributing unnecessarily to wipes, and if they want a full rundown they could have easily googled any number of YouTube or written guides.

For easy to medium content I'm generally fine with giving them a tldr version or letting them figure it out.

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Eh, in my experience it won't be just one person going in blind. It's been quite the contrary for me; there's usually only 1 or 2 people that have actually done the ex trial before and that's including me.

Still, I find the whole "ex trials shouldn't been in mentor roulette" mindset kind of ironic since it's one of the few pieces of content where a totally blind party can't effortlessly fumble their way to success.