Increase glamour plate limit.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

By that same "they're professionals" card , don't you think if it was as easy people seem to propose they would have done it already if they're so experienced? Someone would have piped up and said.. "hey uh.. give me 10 guys and some hours and we'll have a log style glamour book like everyone is asking for"

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That's false. People have been saying that about the Auction House system in WoW for years, but I wrote up a way to completely revamp the whole system without even touching the old system. It just wasn't a priority for them. Just like this isn't likely to be a priority for SE. There is a difference between "not possible" and "No, we're going to put that at the bottom of the list."

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Originally Posted by Nabril

That's false. People have been saying that about the Auction House system in WoW for years, but I wrote up a way to completely revamp the whole system without even touching the old system. It just wasn't a priority for them. Just like this isn't likely to be a priority for SE. There is a difference between "not possible" and "No, we're going to put that at the bottom of the list."

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Please take this in the spirit it's meant, I know absolutely nothing about you so I have to ask: How much of how the WoW AH works do you actually know? The actual code and server workings? Generally solutions I hear offer ideas that sound great on the surface but if questions about how to configure the underlying systems are asked you get no response or posts about how they should know how to do it.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Then you fundamentally don't understand what's required for the requested upgrade.

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Let's be fair here. The only real thing required for a proper glamour dresser would be that SE agreed to lose a big chunk of the money that they're making from the additional retainer subscriptions (or that people stopped paying them as a protest, which won't happen). That's esentially the main reason as of why they won't do it; investing resources to lose money? NO way. Which means that we'll be stuck with these bandaids ("oh, here, take an additional X inventory space while we add (X+Y)^2 new items") like... forever.

In other words, if they truly wanted to do it they could. The inventory issues have been a recurring topic for the playerbase, with a lot more demand than other side projects that they've devoted resources to.

People make it sound like Square is some indie company full of amateurs from all the responses defending the terrible system.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Please take this in the spirit it's meant, I know absolutely nothing about you so I have to ask: How much of how the WoW AH works do you actually know? The actual code and server workings? Generally solutions I hear offer ideas that sound great on the surface but if questions about how to configure the underlying systems are asked you get no response or posts about how they should know how to do it.

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Well, the biggest obstacle when updating an old system is not breaking it with a new system, but with the AH in WoW, that's not even an issue.

The biggest advantage to it is that everything in that game is automatically sent back to the owners if it hasn't sold in 48 hours. So all they would have to do is simply code up a brand new system with a brand new database tailored specifically for an Auction House. Then they can design a whole new user interface for it and add in as many new features they wish (since it is all from scratch). Once they're done and it's tested and bug free, they simply replace the old Auctioneer NPCs with new ones. Then the old AH becomes 100% inaccessible and all items are returned after 48 hours. Of course, even without that feature, they could just do a force return of all items.

See, the best and most efficient way to update something is to just bypass the old code. The same could be done with the Glamour Plate system. Why try and edit an old database when you can just design a new one? Then you input a system to either do a force return of all of the items in the old system or just copy them into the new system. It can be done. I know how databases work and they are much easier to rewrite than they are to edit and add to.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Let's be fair here. The only real thing required for a proper glamour dresser would be that SE agreed to lose a big chunk of the money that they're making from the additional retainer subscriptions (or that people stopped paying them as a protest, which won't happen). That's esentially the main reason as of why they won't do it; investing resources to lose money? NO way. Which means that we'll be stuck with these bandaids ("oh, here, take an additional X inventory space while we add (X+Y)^2 new items") like... forever.

In other words, if they truly wanted to do it they could. The inventory issues have been a recurring topic for the playerbase, with a lot more demand than other side projects that they've devoted resources to.

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I don't feel that's a fair assessment though. Why would they make such a clunky addon like the Chocobo saddlebag if they could just give us inventory? It's got the weirdest restrictions on it but it's still pretty much just extra space for our character. It REEKS of working around weird database server problems and that was also the reason they gave for it. Why would they balk at making a system everyone would use and would encourage further purchases of storebought outfits?

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Well, the biggest obstacle when updating an old system is not breaking it with a new system, but with the AH in WoW, that's not even an issue.

The biggest advantage to it is that everything in that game is automatically sent back to the owners if it hasn't sold in 48 hours. So all they would have to do is simply code up a brand new system with a brand new database tailored specifically for an Auction House. Then they can design a whole new user interface for it and add in as many new features they wish (since it is all from scratch). Once they're done and it's tested and bug free, they simply replace the old Auctioneer NPCs with new ones. Then the old AH becomes 100% inaccessible and all items are returned after 48 hours. Of course, even without that feature, they could just do a force return of all items.

See, the best and most efficient way to update something is to just bypass the old code. The same could be done with the Glamour Plate system. Why try and edit an old database when you can just design a new one? Then you input a system to either do a force return of all of the items in the old system or just copy them into the new system. It can be done. I know how databases work and they are much easier to rewrite than they are to edit and add to.

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Alright. That's the AH though. A system that isolates items from the characters and stands by itself for a certain aspect of the game. The problem in FFXIV lies with the fact that the system constantly checks on every single item you're carrying several times a minute. I don't personally know how the item appearance data would be written into these items but The server still keeps track of every single item you have in your inventory , retainers, saddlebag, armoire, AND dresser (as is evidenced by the search for item command). Writing a new system on top of all of that that logs appearances for items without any of the item data still needs to be referenced whenever the item server asks it's little who/what/where query. It's still tangled up in the garbage pile that is the underlying item system. Writing a new front end on it isn't going to solve the underlying issue .

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Well, the biggest obstacle when updating an old system is not breaking it with a new system, but with the AH in WoW, that's not even an issue.

The biggest advantage to it is that everything in that game is automatically sent back to the owners if it hasn't sold in 48 hours. So all they would have to do is simply code up a brand new system with a brand new database tailored specifically for an Auction House. Then they can design a whole new user interface for it and add in as many new features they wish (since it is all from scratch). Once they're done and it's tested and bug free, they simply replace the old Auctioneer NPCs with new ones. Then the old AH becomes 100% inaccessible and all items are returned after 48 hours. Of course, even without that feature, they could just do a force return of all items.

See, the best and most efficient way to update something is to just bypass the old code. The same could be done with the Glamour Plate system. Why try and edit an old database when you can just design a new one? Then you input a system to either do a force return of all of the items in the old system or just copy them into the new system. It can be done. I know how databases work and they are much easier to rewrite than they are to edit and add to.

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Good point. In coding it's way easier to just add another layer on top of everything then change the base coding. As the later can make weird things completely collapse.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The inn room exclusive things in general feel really antiquated at this point. I just want to rewatch cutscenes without going from Shirogane to Kugane to the inn room.

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You don't have to do that for cutscenes. The Unending Journey cutscene viewer is available as a housing item.

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Originally Posted by Jaywalker

I agree on glamour dresser but oh my god I have been trying to figure out how to rewatch cutscenes for a stupid amount of time and being able to do it anywhere is exciting news for me. XD You just helped me figure out the secret lol, thank you!

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You can only rewatch cutscenes at specific places (the inn room or player housing with the furniture item placed), not "anywhere", but yes they're available.

Cutscenes are only a fraction of the game's dialogue of course, so for anything else you can go to the website Garland Tools which has an archive of all quest text. (Note that any dialogue in a voiced cutscene won't show up in their text data - something to do with how the files are stored - and also misses NPC dialogue in a menu format. But for the vast majority of text, it's great.)

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I don't feel that's a fair assessment though. Why would they make such a clunky addon like the Chocobo saddlebag if they could just give us inventory? It's got the weirdest restrictions on it but it's still pretty much just extra space for our character. It REEKS of working around weird database server problems and that was also the reason they gave for it. Why would they balk at making a system everyone would use and would encourage further purchases of storebought outfits?



Alright. That's the AH though. A system that isolates items from the characters and stands by itself for a certain aspect of the game. The problem in FFXIV lies with the fact that the system constantly checks on every single item you're carrying several times a minute. I don't personally know how the item appearance data would be written into these items but The server still keeps track of every single item you have in your inventory , retainers, saddlebag, armoire, AND dresser (as is evidenced by the search for item command). Writing a new system on top of all of that that logs appearances for items without any of the item data still needs to be referenced whenever the item server asks it's little who/what/where query. It's still tangled up in the garbage pile that is the underlying item system. Writing a new front end on it isn't going to solve the underlying issue .

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Wouldn't it be as simple as turning that off? At least for any gear that's "banked" don't need to check my banked gear 50 times a second.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Wouldn't it be as simple as turning that off? At least for any gear that's "banked" don't need to check my banked gear 50 times a second.

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I'm reasonably sure if "Turn it off" was an option they would have thought of that already. The system is spaghetti upon spiderwebs upon tumbleweeds. All from being reworked at a frantic pace to save the game. Nobody needs their banked gear checked , but the system likely does it because of the way it logs character data and references that data. In order to free them from one another the systems referencing data need to be replaced with something that .. well.. doesn't do what it's doing right now AND the character server will have to be at least tweaked so that it doesn't ask for that same kind of data.

Part of the problem we have is that they will never divulge how it all actually works completely since that would make hacking your inventory easier, so nobody can really propose an actual solution. But we do know some of it from what we can piece together from old letters and Q/A sessions.