Theory for becoming a Warrior of Darkness

If you played DRK to 70, you'd know the Warrior of Light made peace with Fray... I don't expect any further appearances from them.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Fray won't show up again in the DRK questlines, but he won't show up in the MSQ. There isn't really as good an introduction for him into SHB as Estinien had for HW outside of the DRG questline.

they could just make it like estinien introduction right? if you never play/finish drg class quest, estinien will give you a brief self introduction and what drg is. if you already drg he will say something like "oh its you" or something like that, i forgot.

i can see its working on fray case too, if you finish drk 50 quest he will go like "we meet again" something like that, if our avatar never touch drk fray just need to do brief introduction like estinien case, our avatar transported to "black screen" dimension and fray appear saying stuff like iam your opposite or whatsnot and the story continue.

it just a theory that my guild talk about, but i think its good enough to put it in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

If you played DRK to 70, you'd know the Warrior of Light made peace with Fray... I don't expect any further appearances from them.

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I'm pretty sure that happened at lvl 50. Their lvl 70 appearance was more like 'Hey I know we agreed that I'd take a backseat and let you do your thing, but these are extenuating circumstances'.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I wouldn't go as far as to say Fray won't show up again in the DRK questlines, but he won't show up in the MSQ. There isn't really as good an introduction for him into SHB as Estinien had for HW outside of the DRG questline.

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Fray worked well in the 30 - 50 line because their true nature was kept a secret until the very end and has heavy implications, and in the 70 quest because their appearance was pretty unexpected.

I'm not against them appearing again, and I do appreciate the philosophical / psychological spin Fray brought to the DRK questlines... but if they're used too much it becomes expected, and by extension less interesting. I don't want to see Fray in every DRK questline purely because of how popular they are, and the 70 quest kind of implied (to me) they might probably not show up again.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

I'm pretty sure that happened at lvl 50. Their lvl 70 appearance was more like 'Hey I know we agreed that I'd take a backseat and let you do your thing, but these are extenuating circumstances'.

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The 50 quest was more like an armistice. The 70 quest felt more like a true mutual understanding and acceptance of one another (so to speak).

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Originally Posted by gumas

they could just make it like estinien introduction right? if you never play/finish drg class quest, estinien will give you a brief self introduction and what drg is. if you already drg he will say something like "oh its you" or something like that, i forgot.

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There an important difference here: What happened to Estinien, happened to.... Estinien, not us. Fray is a part of "us" and a little more from the past, there a relationship between "us" that evolve between the 30 -50 questline and the final 70.

The implications are too different and we actually have the same "problem" with an other character in Shadowbringer, if he is who we think he is.

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Originally Posted by Sakizama

The implications are too different and we actually have the same "problem" with an other character in Shadowbringer, if he is who we think he is.

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I've been saying for a while now (sorry for those who keep seeing me repeat it) that I think that issue can be worked around with time travel.

In the trailer narration he indicates that he's been waiting "many years" for us; he seems to have knowledge of future events; and more recently the Fanfest information about the Crystal Tower being present on the First - apparently 'appearing' there rather than being built - gives the possibility of the tower itself being relocated across time and space. (There's also this curious bit of trivia from the lorebook.)

If it is a future version of the character, that would mean his interactions with us have definitely already happened for him, regardless of whether they have happened to our character yet. So there would be some variable dialogue depending on whether the player knows him or not, but it shouldn't actually affect the situation.

We are moving away from the topic but yeah that could work but i don't hide my worries about how the thing will be explained, if they are explained.

Right now the event look too... peaceful for the character to resort to darkness and become the WoD. I don't really know what i expect to trigger such change but it had to be huge not for the world but for the WoL.

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Originally Posted by Sakizama

Right now the event look too... peaceful for the character to resort to darkness and become the WoD. I don't really know what i expect to trigger such change but it had to be huge not for the world but for the WoL.

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That all comes back to the same issue that they're being so vague, at this point, about what Darkness actually is and what becoming the Warrior of Darkness is going to entail. But I doubt that it will involve us "snapping" and turning evil. I certainly hope it won't.

But Matoy'Sthola turn black mage and burn a forest... she keep all the fun for her like always.