Ive no faith in SE/Yoshi-P when comes to balancing healers

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

That makes a lot more sense, but healers have always had a problem balancing between the three. This is why I brought up MCH which I know some people have compained about a lot. I don't really play my MCH so I was legitimately asking. Bard might be fine now, but MCH isn't which means the two jobs are not well balanced, at least as far as I am aware. From what I understand it's more a rotation and lag issue with MCH than power issues. SE tends to fix one class to the detriment of another so even if WHM comes out fine in 5.0 that doesn't mean that SCH or AST won't get the red-headed step-child treatment and we'll be right back to where we started when 6.0 comes around.

If Yoshida plans on homogenizing the classes like some of his statements have implied... that could be just as bad. Then you'll just have 3 generic healers with 2 having some sort of variety of sprinkles or toppings. Which... doesn't sound all that appealing either. Could we be wrong? Sure. We could be. But we have been let down time and time again.

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His comment on whm was deliberately vague, and he was hesitant to say even that. It's simply too early to say if it's something like homogenization or if it's getting rid of mechanics that aren't particularly easy to use optimally like lilies and plenary indulgence. This is, quite frankly, a wait and see situation, and I would suggest that people respect that stay of judgement.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

I find it funny that its astralogin players who are supportive yoshi P. cant even began to understand the stress the fury white mage mains feel at current state. they dont know what it feels like getting shaft every expansion in final fantasy 14

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You need to calm down. You obviously don’t know what us Astros had to deal with when we were first added, and it took an expansion to get buffs (too many buffs if you ask me). We didn’t always get garunteed spots in static’s. You’re confusing us with sch in that regard. We get how it feels, we were in a worse position than you are now. At least you were always playable, the lack of a proper identity doesn’t change that. And I don’t understand what our starting level has to do with anything?

I mained whm in ARR, and even after maining Ast, I still have played whm quite a lot. I totally get the gripes whm mains have, as I’ve experienced them over the years. Stop throwing insults at us because you’re angry. Like it’s our fault when it’s not. We didn’t ask to get buffed into oblivion. We didn’t ask for white mage to be put on the bench. We just wanted to be fixed considering how rough we were. Don’t forget sch has been the king this whole time, always having a spot in static’s. Astros know your pain all too well. Getting buffed doesn’t change that.

This hate towards my preferred job from whms has been exhausting. I’m sorry you guys have had a rough time thanks to the devs, but calling us names, wishing us to be nerfed into the ground, trying to get buffed way more than we ever did is not the answer. We are all healers, and we should be trying to strive for balance, not to throw certain healers under the bus because you haven’t gotten what you’ve needed. It not our fault so stop acting like it is. We all enjoy healing, so we should be trying to get it so we are all desirable without anyone being broken. I’m of the opinion we should all be happy and useful. Attacking each other and asking for changes that’ll break the job balance more than it is isn’t the answer. I’d like to see another healer job added within this game’s lifespan.

So seriously calm down and start thinking rationally. I don’t have a ton of faith in the dev team, but we don’t know what the changes are yet. For all we know they could’ve made some really good changes. For all we know they’ve heard our feedback and fixed us. We don’t know. Let’s save our doom and gloom for when the information does come out. Attacking others doesn’t solve anything, it’s just petty and a wasted effort, as it doesn’t solve a dang thing. I know it makes me not want to have sympathy for you.

OP, why are you starting so many threads these days? We understand that you are salty due to the condition of WHM, but I don't think you are being entirely objective, especially seeing some of your "ideas" concerning a "WHM rework".

WHM new limited job confirmed for Shadowbringers.

I don't get what the issue is. I can heal content well enough as whm. At least when I am paying attention

After the tank balance of SB no ty.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

After the tank balance of SB no ty.

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The tanks have literally never been better balanced than they are at this immediate moment. Every tank outputs roughly the same DPS and no longer have to fear fight-specific defensive options, which means no more paladin screwed out of a raid tier because they block physical and it's all magic. That isn't to say tanks don't have a slew of other problems, such as still having jacked up accessory scaling and tank stance still being a thing for some reason, but they're hardly out of whack any more. Healers on the other hand are the complete opposite, where AST is pretty much just WHM but better in every conceivable way that matters.

"Can clear content" isn't a sterling endorsement of job design, and it should never be used to justify balance.

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Originally Posted by Capn_Goggles

The tanks have literally never been better balanced than they are at this immediate moment. Every tank outputs roughly the same DPS and no longer have to fear fight-specific defensive options, which means no more paladin screwed out of a raid tier because they block physical and it's all magic. That isn't to say tanks don't have a slew of other problems, such as still having jacked up accessory scaling and tank stance still being a thing for some reason, but they're hardly out of whack any more. Healers on the other hand are the complete opposite, where AST is pretty much just WHM but better in every conceivable way that matters.

"Can clear content" isn't a sterling endorsement of job design, and it should never be used to justify balance.

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Yes balanced dmg wise isn’t balanced at all. War and pld are to strong with group utility and drk rots in a corner with his 20 % shield that mitigates less then Intervention from pld. Atleast in theory if you can stand still whm beats astro in dmg. I would understand that if drk would deal more dmg then both of them. But talking about balanced tanks when drk has not even the half of war and pld you would think it’s obviously not good.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

Yes balanced dmg wise isn’t balanced at all. War and pld are to strong with group utility and drk rots in a corner with his 20 % shield that mitigates less then Intervention from pld. Atleast in theory if you can stand still whm beats astro in dmg. I would understand that if drk would deal more dmg then both of them. But talking about balanced tanks when drk has not even the half of war and pld you would think it’s obviously not good.

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You've forgot to mention DRKs absolutely excellent self mitigation ability on magic damage fights, with dark mind with a 60s cd, its completely unmatched by the other 2, also its ability to project a blackest night onto a party member for little cost. I personally don't feel drk is lagging behind much at all atm, does more dps than pld, less than war, and is the personal mitigation tank. Whilst that does make it less desirable I wouldn't call it incredibly unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

You've forgot to mention DRKs absolutely excellent self mitigation ability on magic damage fights, with dark mind with a 60s cd, its completely unmatched by the other 2, also its ability to project a blackest night onto a party member for little cost. I personally don't feel drk is lagging behind much at all atm, does more dps than pld, less than war, and is the personal mitigation tank. Whilst that does make it less desirable I wouldn't call it incredibly unbalanced.

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Yes ofc but the normal case is that the party dies and then the tanks. Dying from tank buster is so rare because war is the go to main tank and even if it forces you, you do still have apoca and palisade for mitigation. And pld has enough for all situations. And like i did say the party rather does to apes then tanks die to tankbuster.