Originally Posted by
Suniva
I am honestly curious about a situation I've ran in my head for the past week, especially about those on here on the forum from the Aether data center that have a negative opinion on the Discord. The ones that state in their argument that the pre-made group is "claiming" the instance to do a BA run.
Hypothetical question of course; suppose the Aether Discord group stopped making pre-made groups for, three weeks let's say. Using the general argument of "It is a public instance and anyone/everyone should be able to join or another point I've seen is that "SE designed the content to be for anyone in the zone, it is meant to be pugged, pre-made groups are elitist, etc": Would those of you making these said arguments be willing to put together a group of 48 like minded people to clear up to Absolute Virtue, then get another 8 to come in from support? Are any of you willing to spend hours looking to find people that want to try it within the ONE instance your in? Would you be willing to put together a party finder and spam entry in Hydatos to try and find more people interested in there isn't enough in your instance? Would you and your fellow FC mates be willing to spend possibly an entire day trying to get a run started? Since you're against Discord, how do you intend to coordinate between the 7 groups, especially with those that aren't on your server, to all get in the same instance of Hydatos? (Remember, when you are in an instance, you cannot receive /tells unless they ARE in the same instance). Since even the patch notes stated that in order to do the content, you WOULD have to coordinate with other players to get past it, so what solution would you use if it isn't Discord?
Like, not to be THAT person, but from what I've seen on the forums here are a lot of people arguing AGAINST Discord, for various reasons, and yet, I don't see any of you that are arguing against it stepping up to plate and trying to organize groups via your own beliefs of how the game should be played.
I have a feeling that I know the reason, and if I am wrong, please correct me. But it seems like you aren't attempting to do so because you do in fact realize just how TIME CONSUMING it would be. And I have a feeling that you all realize that, deep, deep down. You know it, and for whatever reason you use to justify it to yourself, you just, don't make an effort, but you will argue otherwise. I think you also realize that if you did manage to put together all that time and effort, only for people to come in and take the spot of your healer or tank, that based on ones own personality, one would be either mildly upset or extremely pee'd off, or a combination of both. Why? Because it took them HOURS, or even DAYS to find people interested in doing content in the traditional manner available in game, and having some random just jump in would be disheartening after you all put in so much effort.
Then, let's say you DON'T spend that time to coordinate, you just find a few people willing to do it each time in the instance, die, de-level, then level up again and then rinse and repeat trying to get further and further into the dungeon. How much patience do you have to always go over mechanics... I guess using macros since you won't use VoiP, to a fresh new group every time you enter? Would you expect healers to bring a certain amount of sacrifices? (Remember, they are PRICEY if the healer doesn't farm for them within the instance.) Then let's say you do macro everything for call outs and sound effects, etc. and even I KNOW how rare the chances are of you encountering this, but let's say you DO happen to run into that player that doesn't have his chat open, for whatever reason, so he can't read that you are calling out mechanics or even explaining the fight. Again, how much patience do you have to die, de-level, explain fights to new people, every. single. time. You try and run BA because you choose to demonize pre-made groups and don't want to use a "third party program" for getting content done? I don't think you have it.
So, why not prove me wrong? Do it, attempt it, do something OTHER than being here on the forums arguing. Update us with your progress, so we know how you're doing. We will even give you tips to help you. If you wanna make the argument that it isn't fair, then DO SOMETHING about it. You say that you shouldn't have to use Discord, fine then don't. You say the instance is meant to be done with randoms, then organize them and get them together. It is well within your capabilities to do so, after all, using a quote from one of the one's against pre-mades and Discord: "SE designed it that way." If you aren't willing to do this, for whatever reason you will use, then there is in no way that you will EVER convince ANYONE that is using other means to progress that you aren't trying to be "carried" be using the argument "It's a public dungeon and so...." Why?
Because you simply aren't trying hard enough using your own preferred methods.