Why does Yoshida hate linkshells/communities?

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Originally Posted by VeranRamaden

Weren't people just complaining like 1 month ago they didn't have any more friends because they all left?

So why now are people defending their non-existent/no longer playing friends?
Ya'll crazy.

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No, they never complained about that. They also never continually posted information about supposed server population numbers.

They also never http://i43.tinypic.com/fawwar.gif about when P2P went live everyone would quit.

So why on earth would they complain about losing people who were supposedly long quit or left after P2P? Silly Veran.

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Why does Yoshida hate linkshells/communities?

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Because they stole his sweet roll.

Not everyone is unemployed or out of school man, I have friends where it is impossible for them to log in the game until December of this year when they graduate, so those people will be flung to different servers. Not everyone has the money to pay for one month and log on to change servers, especially when you're supporting yourself through college. Choosing to renew this subscription was a decision to take 60 bucks out of my life that would go towards food and other stuff, you can't judge someone for choosing to do the opposite. I just get tired of a lot of loser ass people with no job or life talking about non playing characters like "omg who cares about them they'll never play, they're not committed", yeah being committed to XIV over real life is SO cool *sarcasm*

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Not everyone is unemployed or out of school man, I have friends where it is impossible for them to log in the game until December of this year when they graduate, so those people will be flung to different servers. Not everyone has the money to pay for one month and log on to change servers, especially when you're supporting yourself through college. Choosing to renew this subscription was a decision to take 60 bucks out of my life that would go towards food and other stuff, you can't judge someone for choosing to do the opposite. I just get tired of a lot of loser ass people with no job or life talking about non playing characters like "omg who cares about them they'll never play, they're not committed", yeah being committed to XIV over real life is SO cool *sarcasm*

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I love the insinuation that anyone who dedicates time to this game beyond a certain amount is a loser or "no lifer." Look, I understand people have different priorities but that doesn't mean the field should be built around accommodating them. SE is trying to find a solution that works.

Also, you state your friends won't be able to play until December. Oddly enough this is when the world transfer service will be available (ala 2.0) so your pals won't be missing out. Your statement is ill-informed or poorly thought out due to emotions.

And, in closing, if 60 bones is breaking you then you have crap priorities and should spend less time chastising others and getting yours in order.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

It is obvious.

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Only thing that's obvious is people like you are clueless and simply intent on finding something to whine about.

I don't agree with his chosen plan but it's clear why he feels something has to be done. There is NO 'good' option, merely the 'least worst', and IMO he's trying bery, very hard to find it.

You may disagree with him, but whining about him like you do with the silly and over-emo accusations you make makes anything you say worthless.

I've seen posts like yours on most other MMO forums where mergers happen, I hadn't really expected to see it here, seems no where's safe.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

You paint a picture of a developer that is damaged goods and completely inept. You post on a forum that requires you to pay a monthly fee for said developers game in order to post. Your giving someone you think all these horrible things about your hard earned money each month? Even MORE curious, you state he has screwed you more than just this past time. And yet you remain. I would spend less time questioning this Yoshi fellow, and more time questioning the decisions your making, because, by your own admission, they are foolish and unwise.

Make sure the 25 people that gave you the thumbs up join you.

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Jesus christ why don't you go bump your own thread asking for a poll so you can see that 70-80% of people in that too still don't want the crappy option 4, instead of flaming me for a post I made after the initial announcement and before any of Yoshida's posts since then which all apologized to the community for what was admittedly an insensitive and highly controversial decision

I guess I missed the part where I said he was damaged goods or completely inept, or that I didn't like the game or even that I would quit if I didn't get my way. I like a lot of things about the game, and his decisions. However several of his decisions have been very harmful to linkshells including the stupid personal loot lists for primals and his initial proposal for how server merges were handled.

People overwhelmingly disapproved and he changed his mind. The only reason that people didn't do the same for personal loot lists is because the primal loot is not needed or that important to linkshells, as soon as we get that loot expect it to be an issue of similar magnitude (but more than likely they will abandon it before then, because again the vast majority of people overwhelmingly dislike the primal loot system).

The difference between me and you is that I do give up fights I can't win, like I think exp should be much harder to come by and the path to max level should both take longer and encourage grouping more than it does. But I see that isn't likely to happen, and I'm just glad they have actually given those of us who like traditional MMO grouping the option to do so without severely handicapping ourselves (as in other MMO's).

I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.

Face it we were right, and Yoshida now at least recognizes how much of a problem it is. That's why this forum exists as much as you hate it when things don't go your way. Yet ironically you come here and flame me for whining...

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Only thing that's obvious is people like you are clueless and simply intent on finding something to whine about.

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And yet the majority of people also felt a need to "whine about it" maybe because it wasn't something that was insignificant to them, but posed a serious problem for them and the friends they played with.

Whatever, you can continue to attack me it doesn't bother me because in the end people that actually make the decisions on these things actually listened to our concerns, despite the best efforts of sycophantic white knights like yourself to use your little personal attacks to derail the debate. Maybe next time try arguing on the merits of the position you take instead of just hurling insults.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.

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Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.

Also, look up on the internet the phrase "Painting a picture" and find out how thats different from me actually saying thats what you said word for word.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.

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Please you only wish he "made a decision and stuck with it" because you are in the minority that supported it.

I do apologize for my "fictional back story" since clearly you have no sense of humor at all. Pretty sure the decision to change direction back to a normal server merger with transfers wasn't made because of any OP, but rather because of the overwhelming support for that option.

The last post on this thread before you was from 11 am, you hunted for it and revived the thread simply so you could flame me. You just wanted attention, admit it. This thread was buried, and irrelevant since Yoshida not only said they are going to base the merges off of option 2 (the exact option we all were advocating for before he even brought it up) but actually apologized.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

It is obvious.

• The personal loot system (reasoning because linkshells "pressure" people to give away items)
• No voice chat (because linkshells pressure people to get on them)
• Server transfers over merges without even allowing players who are inactive to remain on the same servers as their linkshell

My conclusion Yoshida got booted from some LS for being a total noob in DAoC or whatever MMO he played, and now as a director is taking it out on all linkshells.

Thanks a lot Yoshida you screwed us once again! Way to stick it to those linkshells!

(btw I'm not advocating in-game voice chat I think that idea is stupid, I just think Yoshida's explanation much like his explanation for why we have to have the stupid primal loot system show that he isn't exactly a staunch defender of the interests of cohesive linkshells)

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wtf is wrong with you?
do you LITERALLY think Yoshi sat back in his seat and went "hmmmm.... i honestly, in all respects, despise the concept of community in video games....lets do this!" or is it plausible that they came up with what they felt was a solution to a problem that needed to be addressed? the servers need to be consolidated, thats the bottom line.
the current option two still gives people the opportunity to go where they want. if your friends are so close to you then youd follow them and theyd follow you. neither 2 or 4 are much different, you will still lose friends that want to transfer servers either way.
so is the best decision to now allow any server transfers? i dont get it!!!

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

wtf is wrong with you?
do you LITERALLY think Yoshi sat back in his seat and went "hmmmm.... i honestly, in all respects, despise the concept of community in video games....lets do this!" or is it plausible that they came up with what they felt was a solution to a problem that needed to be addressed? the servers need to be consolidated, thats the bottom line.
the current option two still gives people the opportunity to go where they want. if your friends are so close to you then youd follow them and theyd follow you. neither 2 or 4 are much different, you will still lose friends that want to transfer servers either way.
so is the best decision to now allow any server transfers? i dont get it!!!

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Let it go already, do you not realize this thread was made before Yoshida presented options, or ended up basing their new plans on the option that most of us wanted?

I actually won't lose any friends this way, because I don't know anyone that wants to transfer servers on Selbina. However, I always supported the option of transfers for those who did. I just didn't want everyone to be forced out of their server and have to scramble to attempt to stay together. Not to mention all of the people who don't have an active sub who would come back to the game on a new random server.

It was a pretty reasonable argument, and one shared by the vast majority of the community. Yoshida saw how many people were upset, and apologized saying he didn't realize how upset it would make people. All of this happened in the days after this thread was made.

"wtf is wrong with you?" Do you people have some kind of sycophant rewards system going? Get over it, some people were upset we made our criticisms well known, and they listened. My OP might have been a little harsh (though it should be obvious to anyone that it was not dead serious... who would call someone a "Noob" with a straight face, honestly), but that doesn't give you people a free pass to flame others simply for having a complaint.


You know what I think Yoshida did? Exactly what he said he did, he heard complaints even from his own team against option 4 but at the last minute decided to go with it anyways. He sees now that maybe he should have based it more off of option 2, and so now he is back to the drawing board.

I also don't really think Yoshida hates linkshells or I wouldn't play, since community is why I play I think the real reason we have the primal loot system is that it works better as a time sink. But I wish they'd just admit that, because it does make them look like they don't care about linkshells when the stories they make up to justify their decisions all demonstrate little concern for the wishes of linkshells who play this game/content together.