Omega and future raid concerns

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I took a step back from this thread to cool off as I noticed I was getting a little heated. I'm going to put this another way, but would it not be better to split Exdeath Savage and Neo Exdeath (also the same for Kefka)? The thing is these raids take a lot of time, and time is something that not a lot of us have when it comes to PUG groups. Especially if a random group constantly fails at Neo Exdeath or God Kefka and have to start all over again if the group has to split.

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Here's my take on it. This is a themepark MMO. That means there should be something for everyone, but at the same time, you can't expect everyone to be able to partake of the same attractions. I get nauseous easily so despite the roller-coasters being there and taking up massive space in the park, it's nothing I'll ever even queue for unless it was the kiddy version. If it means I'm going to miss the view, so be it. Same here.

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I really do feel that Savage Exdeath is hard enough by himself, and having to deal with another savage form really starts to take the toll on the player mentally.

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I dare say that's intended and part of the difficulty.

But this is kind of silly to compare a video game with a theme park as they're nothing alike at all as I noticed some people trying to compare that. Also intended or not I don't believe that is healthy for a person nor fun, games shouldn't try to stress you out or it defeats the purpose of video games.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

But this is kind of silly to compare a video game with a theme park as they're nothing alike at all as I noticed some people trying to compare that.

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How are they not similar? Splitting it into various types of content (let's say, story, raiding, crafting and gathering, glamour) is the various attractions, to be more precise, the various sections of the theme park with each offering you sub attractions. You don't have to go on every ride, and you'll naturally find attractions that you don't care for. At the same time, you'll find attractions you want to go on, but you're not tall enough to ride them (in your case, not enough time to pug content). However, it's still designed so that everyone can find at least something they're into.

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Also intended or not I don't believe that is healthy for a person nor fun, games shouldn't try to stress you out or it defeats the purpose of video games.

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Fun is subjective, as is stressful. The stress level is the main reason why I don't run Savage as the whirlwind of mechanics, alongside the min-maxing, is not fun for me. It sounds like it's not for you, either. At the same time, you'll find a lot of people who care very little for most other forms of content.

Well I offered a alternative solution that should please everyone currently involved in this, but if no one is willing to compromise then this seems to be more of a problem of a community not willing to share their toys with the other which goes to back to a point why I think there is some form of dishonesty going on here. I think what I've offered as a solution is pretty sound that doesn't step on anyone.

I don't throw the word dishonesty around very lightly, and I've seen my fair share MMOs on how they all ended up destroying themselves because the community didn't want to compromise on anything.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I don't throw the word dishonesty around very lightly, and I've seen my fair share MMOs on how they all ended up destroying themselves because the community didn't want to compromise on anything.

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The compromise is being able to unsync this with full Echo buffs once 5.0 hits which will require much less skill and time to complete. Not a zero amount of it, but much more forgiving than now.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Here is a idea I can propose in order to keep these raids healthy and intact, how about that players HAVE to defeat Exdeath AND Neo Exdeath in order to receive the reward but as separated Savage Raids? Also same deal with kefka and future raids. This way everyone wins on this compromise without the loss of the raids being special because future raiders will still have to get through Exdeath first and then proceed to Neo Exdeath as a separated raid to get the full reward!

I really do feel that Savage Exdeath is hard enough by himself, and having to deal with another savage form really starts to take the toll on the player mentally.

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That removes a significant part of the challenge. Despite their being a checkpoint, you still have to clear both fights, which adds a sense of accomplish and grandiose to the final encounter. Exdeath and Clown Kefka aren't really much without the spectacle that follows, especially the latter.

And while this may be your experiences. That does not mean its universal. I, for instance, have no mental fatigue from these fights. I love that they were implemented as a Savage Exclusive. Your compromise is simply making Savage easier, albeit in a roundabout way. It also ruins the spectacle. Exdeath gets sucked into a blackhole then... you leave the instance to queue in again and fight Neo?

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The compromise is being able to unsync this with full Echo buffs once 5.0 hits which will require much less skill and time to complete. Not a zero amount of it, but much more forgiving than now.

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Even queuing into Neo Exdeath now with i370 will being significantly easier. People were farming A4S long before Stormblood despite it being one of the hardest fights released in its heyday. Unfortunately, many of the people complaining don't simply want to unsync and enjoy the experience later. They want it now. To which I say, practice and beat the fights like everyone else did.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Well I offered a alternative solution that should please everyone currently involved in this, but if no one is willing to compromise then this seems to be more of a problem of a community not willing to share their toys with the other which goes to back to a point why I think there is some form of dishonesty going on here. I think what I've offered as a solution is pretty sound that doesn't step on anyone.

I don't throw the word dishonesty around very lightly, and I've seen my fair share MMOs on how they all ended up destroying themselves because the community didn't want to compromise on anything.

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It is not sound pleasant at all. I love how it is set up in the omega final tier fights. Finally killing the “gateway” boss (exdeath/kefka) and seeing the transition to the next part of the fight was unbelievably satisfying. It feels so good to see that “cinematic”, the difficulty of the content even makes it better, because you feel like you’re actually fighting a big bad boss. I don’t know bout the others, but I got a sense of danger and excitement, because it was the boss’s way of saying “Hah! I was just going easy on you, fools!” Separating them into separate fights ruins that. It made it feel really good to be a raider, especially when I used to think I wasn’t good enough to raid.

Harder difficulty and gear is fine and all, but it isn’t exactly something to look forward to. I’ve never been more excited for the next Raid tier. Can’t wait to see what they do next <3 sorry if I sound mushy. I just really REALLY like raiding...

Okay? All I see here is excuses excuses excuses...
Well my take on this is both Normal Savage, or even Ultimate is for everyone to expirienced, Study, and Succeed.
takes alot of luck practice and dedication, I pugged all turns and Cleared all of it within 2months and I think I wiped 37 times before clearing O5s
wiped 11 times for O6s, 50+ times for O7s and 80+ times for O8s. To me It's a very satisfying feeling, maybe If I had static I could of cleared them all in a month? But ya pugging was enough, If I can clear all turns everyone can even if it's from Party Finder!

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

“Hah! I was just going easy on you, fools!”

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Literally "this isn't even my final form"

So perhaps the OP could have worded things slightly better making his post more clearly about the final forms instead of the story which seems to have sidetracked some of the discussion.

But I agree with the OP. It's an issue with me because the fights are iconic of the series, and they should be available to normal mode players. Savage raiders get plenty for their effort. And you know what? I work full time, have little time to game, and don't have the time to invest in savage. Not everyone's circumstances are the same. As an Aussie on JP servers, there is an added layer of difficulty to it all as well.