I don't know what to make of this.

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

After the wipe, I humbly offered to explain what I had learned up until then.

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It was nice of you to offer and you should keep offering to explain. However there are good and "bad" ways to do it. More on that later.

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

A couple of people, this person included, instantly shut me down and told me to stfu and "don't spoil the fight".

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I find it a bit strange that you quote pretty much everything about the conversation but this part. While "stfu" is incredibly rude, "don't spoil the fight" is a perfectly acceptable answer (but adding a please would have been a lot more welcomed in that case)

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

I ended up not explaining anything at all, respecting their wishes.

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And most people would thank you for doing just that!

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Originally Posted by Solarianna

When it was over, before I went, I commented (and here is where the copypasting starts): "(Solarianna Farron) I've been playing MMORPGs since 2004, and you guys are the first people I ever saw refuse someone who is willing to explain mechs."

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This was a very rude comment to make and like someone mentioned, there would most likely have no follow-up tells if not for that.


Like many mentioned, the content is not even 1 week old and lots of players like to do it blind the first time and figure out the mechanics by themselves. Not everyone can play on the day the patch is out and some can even only play on week ends. So it's usually accepted that people don't know what to do the first week.

Helping others is a good thing and should be encouraged. But the way to do it is quite important too. If you throw directly the solution into the face of people, some might not take it very kindly and think you are saying they are dumb for not solving something that you did, even if that's not what you intended to do in the first place.
It's part of the progression process to discover what you are expecting to do to pass the test in front of you, and that is true for pretty much every game. While nowadays information is only a clic away, most people enjoy solving those puzzles by themselves. So if you want to help people understand mechanics in the game, here is a few tips on how to do it whitout ruining their potential enjoyment!

1) Be the one to ask!
Even if you know what went wrong, pretend you don't, ask "what happened?", "why did we die?" The main goal here is to invite people to discuss what happened so they get involved and feel more part of the group.

2) Propose possible solutions!
Don't just give away the answer. It's a lot better to say "maybe we should do this or that at that point." it's best to propose more than one way so the party can discuss it and decide what to do. It can be a good idea to also throw some bad ways of doing it as some people learn better from mistakes. This let's people feel they are participating in solving the issue and feel better about themselves for finding the solution as a group.
If you saw someone did it the wrong way, propose that way so that they can correct you as they did it and hopefully realised it was wrong. This helps those that did the mistake don't feel too bad about themsleves and realise someone else would have reacted in a similar way. They also will feel like they are actively helping someone else.

In short, if you want to help people, rub them the right way ;)

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Him/Her: honey
>> i do savage fight blind
>> sweetie
>> you aint gonna judge me with the heal u did with literally 0 dps
>> honey
>> dont even start it

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Lets begin the witch hunt.
Say what you want, but at that point nothing really matter any longer, for 90% of community you deserved to be burn on the wood pile! ha

Healer did no damage, A B O M I N A T I O N.

tl;dr OP needs to grow thicker skin

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Originally Posted by MerleSirlos

I find it a bit strange that you quote pretty much everything about the conversation but this part. While "stfu" is incredibly rude, "don't spoil the fight" is a perfectly acceptable answer (but adding a please would have been a lot more welcomed in that case)

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As I mentioned "yesterday", I didn't want to answer further to this thread, to avoid fanning the flames further (as I already had a reality check and learned quite a lot from everyone's input), unless someone asks me something directly. Now, this isn't a question, but it's something that you're wonderwing, so I'll address it. Someone else has implied I was lying or hiding the whole story yesterday so I guess it begs addressing.
The interaction in which I offered help is behind combat text, so it wasn't as readily reachable as the post-duty thing. Yes, I could've scrolled further up and copied it aswell, but I never assumed it needed more than a quick mention, for context purposes, since my complaint at the person's attitude, not to the person's opinion. There were a LOT of things I weren't expecting yesterday, both in-game and in here. Obviously, had I known any better, I'd have copied that short part aswell. But I didn't, so it's my responsibility.

I do own two screenshots of the conversation, that I uploaded to my FC's discord channel, as I vented there aswell.
But, on the same line of thought, neither of them include the bit you mentioned.

So, to those who implied/ wondered I purposely omitted that bit because I intended to lie or hide something, no, I don't have the proof to refute you. I never expected something so short and easy to explain for context purposes would raise any kind of doubt.
I started this thread with the intent of being fully open and honest about what happened, so I commited to copy the entire post-duty conversation, refusing to cut the parts where I became visibly less happy about the way the person was belittling me, knowingly leaving me open to criticism aswell.
But at the end of the day, regardless of the reasoning explained above, I did not provide proof of the bit some people are wondering about, therefore you're obviouly free to believe what you will.

As I said before, this thread made me learn enough for me to change my attitude towards random players. Since my biggest motivation in gaming is and has been to lend others a hand (historically, in other games, WoW being the main one, even to the extent of taking roles/ranks/tasks I didn't really want to, but I was needed to in emergencies, in order to hold the fort), obviously discovering my perception of help is generally not welcome, therefore becoming the opposite of what initially intended, is not easy to swallow.

Obviously I still feel a lot of people here misunderstood me as a player and person. But that doesn't change the input I've been given. And in the end, if my help is not welcome, then it's no help at all.

My personal opinion, I prefer blind or mostly blind.

However on patch days it seems like alot of people enjoy going in blind, or are up early enough that, that's all they got are blind runs. Typically for the first week I don't even bother explaining mechanics since alot of people do enjoy this chaos. I am one of them.

While the person was in the wrong by trolling you, do keep in mind, sometimes learning by doing is the best way to learn and it's also ok to have a personal preference, both you and the troll.

While i do not take issue with people explaining at the same time i do like to "wing it" for my first runs of content so i do not think he was in the wrong

Basically, for content as new as this, don't offer advice unless it is requested. Optionally, you may ask if folks want advice, but don't just unload it.

(Though, I suppose if you wanted to be sneaky about it, you could pretend to be in blind yourself, and "discover" mechanics. "Oh, hey, that eye symbol had a big question mark on it! Maybe it's like the aoes on the ground, we're supposed to look at it instead of away???" No rule against folks communicating with each other to solve the puzzle, right?

It'd still be kind of a dick move, though. :P )

Even if someone doesn't want to know the new mech, then just don't read, some do want to know after all. There was no need for this type of comment on this person part for sure. And the "you don't pay my sub" part as usual, lol no kidding... who would pay for someone like this?

While I didn't have that kind of trouble this time, as everything I ran I did with other first-timers, I liked the blind run as well - while I don't like long rants about mechanics on fairly new content either, I appreciate the mention of some key mechanics, especially ones that can and will one-shot you, like the pillars in Rabanastre. Savages are a different story, I'm always shaky before so coming unprepared is even more a no-no to me :D
Then again, the "you don't pay my sub" comment is as stupid as always, you don't pay your sub to deal with people like them either /shrug

Well, OP, since it's established as a measure of authority, I predate you by 5 years in that I started MMOs in 1999 with EverQuest and was a hardcore raider there. The other side of the story that you're not telling about old school MMOs is that people *had* to compromise. You only had your server's population to work with and you could do nothing without a group. That said, even then it wasn't really an atmosphere of "sharing strats" because there was no "one true way". Older MMOs held much more strictly to keeping all the roles busy in the party, but they also had an amazing amount of flexibility because the fights did not follow easily learned patterns. And especially if you did something like raiding, you were going to go in blind. A raid team would take their winning strategy to the grave. There was also no idea of "casual raiding" like with the normal modes here. You couldn't just group up with a bunch of random people and try to tackle something, nor was there anything to "teach" outside of a general heads up about abilities the boss might or might not display because again, no patterns.

Raiding in FF is much more laid back. There is a "one true way" and many who raid casually relish the challenge of figuring out that "one true way" on their own. I hope now you realize that those wanting to tackle that challenge for themselves are not the ones in the wrong here. And your entire commentary was rude, smug, and condescending. Learn some humility.