This whole Meta Party thing is hurting me. x_x

It only takes two things to shake up the meta. Give BRD/MCH the piercing debuff on Straight Shot and Gauss Round respectively (would say Hot Shot but that's only 1 cast per minute atm and I doubt SE wants it lasting that long), and nerf Trick Attack's Vulnerability Up potency to 5-6%. The emnity changes to Diversion have weakened the value of Shadewalker enough that most groups are fine without it.

Good long term changes would be moving the vul up debuffs given by Contagion/Radiant Shield to Tri-Disaster (replacing Ruination with a 5% Magic/Physical Vul Up or Vul Down debuff, according to what pet you have out) while removing its reset mechanic, and allowing Brotherhood to proc off of spells and apply its bonus to all targets, with its values decreased to reflect that. But these things won't shake up the meta as it is.

They could also move the vulnerability to rouse tbh though that would make it too similar to hypercharge in a way

Yeah, it would be very similar. Plus it wouldn't work with the Bahamut phase without some awkward optimization that no one really wants to go through.

Just delete the vulnerability completely. Add in some QoL changes to BLM, and some long duration single target buffs that don't benefit burst classes more than sustained DPS classes.

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Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon

Just delete the vulnerability completely. Add in some QoL changes to BLM, and some long duration single target buffs that don't benefit burst classes more than sustained DPS classes.

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This right here is how class harmonization begins. Once you take something from a class, what stops the next person from asking that they remove the buff blm bring because you HAVE to have a blm in every raid?

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Originally Posted by Veliena

This right here is how class harmonization begins. Once you take something from a class, what stops the next person from asking that they remove the buff blm bring because you HAVE to have a blm in every raid?

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Except that BLM brings no buff whatsoever and this is exactly the problem?

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Originally Posted by Lina_Slayer

Except that BLM brings no buff whatsoever and this is exactly the problem?

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Yes but asking for other jobs to lose their buffs while giving blm a buff is counter productive. Then we're simply right where we are now but with different jobs.

The best way to balance the debuff situation out would be to give a Magic vulnerability to healers, and a physical vulnerability to tanks, then remove them from the DPS classes. Every group has at least one of each of those. That would solve the issue, since neither of those archetypes are putting out DPS that is out of balance, and their job is to support, anyways.

This would balance the debuff situation out, without classes' communities constantly calling for nerfs based on them.

Then, you can simply balance the numbers that DPS classes are putting out, and work on refining their gameplay. Since these debuffs are almost always going to be available in group play, balance calculations can assume they will be available (the players with access to them still need to learn how to use them optimally, though).

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Originally Posted by Veliena

This right here is how class harmonization begins. Once you take something from a class, what stops the next person from asking that they remove the buff blm bring because you HAVE to have a blm in every raid?

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There is literally no thought process given to how almost all the vulnerabilities are applied in game.

Removing them has almost zero impact on gameplay (Or, better, putting them on tanks)

I main MCH, how do you think I feel? But never been lectured on how it sucks or its DpS is low yet. Also never been requested to get another class. I love MCH and Its fun and that's all that matters to me really! If the community is letting you down, join a FC