What Happens To Houses We Have on Same World? Do We Get Our Money Back?

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

The chick above is so incredibly salty, it's hilarious. I busted my ass to get my houses, while all you whine and cry about things not being fair, you should've been camping auto demolished plots.

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Congrats to you and a pat on the back if that's your point here. Such a long list, oh my.

Honestly what SE should do from here on out, is allow all alternative characters, on the same server, to have access and teleportation to the one private home that will be introduced in patch 4.2. They should have done this from the start. They screwed up royally when introducing housing and now they are finally fixing a few things, which I am happy about to say the least. So no more players owning more than one private estate, regardless of the ass busting to try and do so.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

And yet, Square-Enix had to go out of their way to implement rules preventing alts from buying houses in 4.2 onward. You can't honestly tell me that Square-Enix 'expected' people to buy houses for their alts when there wasn't enough houses for everyone. I imagine Square-Enix never anticipated people to buy houses for their alts, and by people taking advantage of a loop-hole that resulted in hurting the experience for other players did it cause Square-Enix to step in and prohibit toxic behavior.

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SE decided what they had been doing to date wasn't working and made a change. That does not make players actions up until that point a "loop hole" as they were buying houses as SE expected them to in their design. In fact SE, to my surprise, actually took a reasonable route in handling current multiple house owners. They can't buy anymore and will handle return of their plots to the market via attrition.

I notice you are on Mateus which was one of the servers that had plots galore sitting open for months on end. When the demolition timer was running I was able to get a plot on my server within a couple of weeks of casual checking. After I bought my plot there were other smalls sitting empty for a week or so in my ward not to mention others. So housing does become available just not at the rate to satisfy demand and why is that again? It is because SE has a major screw up of a housing system that will never support the full player base needs. So to repeat myself it is not the players who are at fault and never was. The only entity to blame is SE and until such time that they create an instanced housing system that provides exterior and interiors for players on demand there will always be a shortage.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

These people are one of the main reason why the current house situation is so bad right now. I would give them 2 weeks to decide witch one they want to keep and demloish the others and if they dont chose SE would do this for them after the time.

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You are wrong. The reason there is (or i guess we can now say with 4.2, was) such a shortage is cause of the flippers who bought so many plots solely to resell for absurd amounts.

That a few of us bought 1 or 2 extra houses for our alts - keep in mind did as the design is intended isnt the big problem.

There is a shortage because there are simply NOT ENOUGH HOUSES for everyone.

I also feel like this needs to be posted AGAIN because this person's words are just so perfect.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

You know, I sometime wonder why incompetent leaders or dictatorships can stay in power for a long time. They just have to go to the podium and delivery speech of how the country's woe is due to certain evil foreign countries and "opportunist" among themselves. I wonder why people keep buying into that years after years, but then thread like this always remind me why that tactic work so well.

Look, how many houses do you think the hoarders manage to keep per server? 100, 200, 300?!? There are 12000 accounts per server on average, if say all those houses are released, do you think it will even remotely affect anything? Basic math indicates there are needs of 24000 houses per server if you let people own 2 each per account, even if you gonna half that number for "reasons", how much those extra 300 houses gonna do!?!? :confused:

Frankly what they are doing with this patch is not even a bandage, more like a calculated PR effort, and people like the TC of this thread is giving the SE the exact reaction they're looking for. By making their "fix" target the hoarders, they seek to make these few players the "bad guys". Their hope is the same of those "leaders", to make people think that "these hoarders are the source of your problem, and we're fixing them, we're the good guys, see?" and forget about the real issue at hand.

You are essentially try to fight a guy sitting next to you for his piece of bread, and never question why do you even have to fight for his piece of bread. Why can't everyone have a piece of bread. Well, I hope you will be more informed and think things more thoroughly then you do here before the next election (if you're living in a democracy of course). And no, even if you ration everyone to strictly 1 piece of bread, the fact will still remain that the majority of the server population will stay hungry, that's the issue :)

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Originally Posted by Kittypryde

The chick above is so incredibly salty, it's hilarious. I busted my ass to get my houses, while all you whine and cry about things not being fair, you should've been camping auto demolished plots. I didn't do ANYTHING in game, except for scout for houses. I've spent hundreds (yes hundreds) of hours memorizing plot #s , locations, timed the fastest routes to each plot, asking around, etc. While you all were doing raids, and running around NOT focusing on housing, I was there house hunting. I've found over 60+ smalls, 15mediums, and 7 larges, within the last 2 months that auto demo was still on. I camped sometimes 10-12hes a day, and called out emoty plots to all my LS, FC, and even random shouts . I even bought 13 smalls for other players, so when I bought a few for myself (that no one camped either), I did. And now, I'm supposed to give you a handout? Psshh....piss off. /Bye Felicia.

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Wow, you're a real pleasant person.

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

There's an incredibly slim chance of plots being relinquished, sure, but that hardly ever happened when people could sell them for an insane profit. How is this fair to newer players? People might even start selling these grandfathered accounts with multiple housing plots for an insane fee. I think it's reasonable to allow players with multiples to choose to keep one, and reimburse the entire price of the rest of their estates as well as the furniture. Ideal? No. But much fairer than what's currently being done.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released?

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Honestly there wasn't a 'fair' way to handle this without adding something along the lines of instanced housing which the devs won't do because of neighborhood feels. To be honest the only reason I ever supported the 1/1 rule was because I started to see house flipping take place on my server and we've always been that sort of sleepy suburb, it was just getting too widespread. Also keep in mind that all those people who were grandfathered in still have to actively maintain those houses which means that a lot of the ones bought for quick profit might just find themselves back for sale when the auto demo refunds 80% of the plot price. Plus it means that no new land barons can crop up, meaning new players will likely have a better shot.

You're better off being angry at the people creating shell FCs for the purpose of selling them. That's the new real issue.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

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People don't think about new players coming to the game, who never had a chance. They just point at people who played on highly populated servers that say hey, this is kind of unfair and say that it's all their fault. Not sure what new players like yourself were supposed to do about that when they weren't even playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Guaca-Mholi

Honestly, I find people being grandfathered into this situation incredibly unfair. What about the newer players who haven't been around when fresh housing is released? Even the mid-population servers fill up nearly immediately after housing wards are released. To my knowledge house flipping is against the ToS and many people got their multiple houses this way. Personally, I've only been around for when Shirogane was released and had only one shot to legitimately purchase an estate.

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I started a few months before HW was released. When I started there were no houses available, and there wasn't even an auto-demolition timer yet. Getting a house was pretty much a pipe dream. You have no idea how excited I was when 3.3 came out and I could finally get a house!

When I was new to the game, I expected that at some point in the future SE would add more houses since the population on all the servers was rising and they were getting more and more subscribers. I never felt it was the responsibility of anyone who came before me to not buy more than 1 house since they were available before I started playing. I just figured one day it would be my turn.

So I'm completely confused when new players are upset about how the housing system is unfair and get mad at other players for their lack of foresight that someone else would start playing some day and want the house they purchased. Either be content to house hunt at aetherytes waiting for your turn or be mad at SE for making the housing so limited with this warded system instead of viable housing for all players.

Also, if you have only been around for the release of Shirogane, how would you know how fast wards filled up after release. There were mediums and smalls on Hyperion for about 3 days that were still available after 3.3 released the 4 new wards then. And there were plenty of houses available on multiple servers until the free transfers happened. I know Shirogane was a different beast, and everything here filled while I was in queue (super glad we gave money and housing purchase privileges to multiple people so that we could get a medium for our FC, though now I wish we would have waited so that it could be somewhere other than Shirogane).

With all that in mind, I have little sympathy for people who come to the forums and want to take houses from other people just because they started playing later. It was a long time before I got my house. I'm sure it was a long time for lots of other people as well. If you want a house from the day you hit 50, get mad at SE, not the people who have been here playing the game, supporting it through it's many flaws, and have something that you want.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

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The whole selling FC thing has always gotten on my nerves, too. Back to the housing issue, I'm not sure if there's ever going to be a "best" answer unfortunately. The way I see it is that if someone has three houses, then we have one happy person and two unhappy ones.

If they could only kept one, then two other people would have a chance at owning a house. One person still has their one house, but would be rightfully frustrated at losing their other ones. Meanwhile we have another two people who are really enjoying the opportunity of owning a house. Double the amount of people that were happy in a way.

I do hope the way things will be can open up some more houses. Why would someone demo a house when they can sell it at a huge profit? Or give it to a friend if they're leaving the game? It's definitely an improvement, but still has issues in my opinion.