I took the Survey under the assumption that "Pro Parsing" means you would be okay FFXIV having an in-game parse and being open about it, no don't ask, don't tell.
I should have asked ahead of time... When you say Pro Parsing, Anti Parsing, what exactly do you mean by that? Does being Pro Parsing mean you are okay with any form of parsing in FFXIV (ACT, FFlogs, and an in-game parse).
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01-10-2018, 06:42 AMAshiee
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01-10-2018, 06:51 AMNedkel
I will just leave it here.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/3595673719
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753150702
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753235729
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753259732
After a thought and speaking with old buddies that came back to WoW, they all agree parsers in that game have ruined the experience they had and the community as well. Playerbase became EXTREME toxic after there were more advanced tools implemented into the addon, like comparing each player to the average top 10% players performance. That gave a birth to the toxicity and fuel it till this days.
New players dont have anything to look into the wacraft anymore, or they will get humiliated by entire teams. -
01-10-2018, 07:02 AMOscuraPro-parsing means you are okay with FFXIV having an in game parse that is officially supported.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashiee
It can also mean you use FFLogs, ACT, etc, but that's irrelevant. A PS4 player can't use any of those, but can still be a pro-parser. (I know they can get help from PC players blah blah but you get my point.)
Presumably if an official parser was added, people would stop using ACT, but realistically people would never stop using FFLogs.
Anti-parsing means to oppose an official parse, ACT, FFlogs, and the like. Just people who for some reason or another, dislike parsing or being parsed.
I know people who said Raid Finder killed WoW since people stopped caring about others as individuals and only as bodies for content. It became too easy to replace and too easy to remove and find people. It depends who you ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
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01-10-2018, 07:51 AMTridusBeat me to it. These threads have been around for a decade. The only thing that changes is the thing being complained about. WoW's been killed ten thousand times according to the WoW forms. It's not useful evidence of anything except the community's love of complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscura
I mean, people said the original DamageMeters killed WoW back in vanilla when suddenly the Hunters couldn't get away with AFKing for entire bosses anymore. I was not especially sad to lose those people as the healer who had to work extra hard to try and keep the raid alive longer because they wanted to be carried. -
01-10-2018, 08:00 AMNedkelStill, immaturity shines on the blizzard forums, whenever someone is complaining about certain content in the game, he will be called for his parses being bad or not good enough, and by what they think not good enough is not being the part of the top 10% playerbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oscura
People in wow were complaining about pvp inbalances, about the content, and etc features which is not really the case of them being negative towards the game. The real reason why blizzard game shrinks is that the game became the contest of the numbers, whoever will do faster or better, everyone know after patch what to do at the right exact moment, what class has become instantly better or worse, nobody was taking into consideration the utility or aoe aspect or even fun aspects of certain classes, because the DPS and numbers were much more important, due to them being the main score players will be judged for by others. Pvp because of addons has been completely ruined, and people started to complain about new stuff coming when it didnt meet their arrogant expectations, since they are tryharding 99% their game to the unhealthy level, spreading their frustration over minority of the playerbase that dont use parsers at all. Parsers were at some point considered even by Blizzard as a way to cheat in the game, there were even addons that was indicating you what on whom and when press certain buttons.
Thats terryfing, the world of warcraft has become not a game anymore, but an exceel boxes simulator, people turn out to be like: "woho make sure you are increasing those sick numbers, so you could show em all how gut u are." - "Have you finished the certain activity? Bleh, that doesnt matter, your time socks, look at myyy numbeeers."
Everyone in the game focus on the game performance, than the game, fun and community itself, no wonder why the game losed over 1 mln subs last year.
I dont want it to happen in this game, and i am certainly sure Yoshi is aware of the same thing as well, not wanting to repeat exact same blizzard mistakes. -
01-10-2018, 08:21 AMVstarstruckindifferent might of matched you betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashiee
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01-10-2018, 09:11 AMHyoMinParkNo problem, I can clarify for you. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashiee
When I say "pro-parser", I mean someone who supports the idea of parsing, be it self-parsing or parsing the group they are in. Generally, these individuals already use ACT/FFLogs, but not always. These people could also support the idea of having an in-game parser.
When I say "anti-parser", I mean someone who is the opposite. They do not like parsing, generally do not like ACT/FFLogs being used, and will probably not want to see an in-game parser implemented.
When I say "indifferent", I mean someone who generally has no opinion on parsing, or who does not care about the topic. They usually do not label themselves as "pro-" or "anti-parser". This is not to say they are "on the fence", although it could certainly be interpreted that way. It was more for people who do not care about parsers either way; I just did not want to use such a blunt "I do not care" wording and much preferred a "I have no opinion" wording. It sounded less...abrasive, I think is the word I'm looking for. ^^
When I say "unsure", I mean someone who has not yet formulated a stance on parsers, being for them, against them, or indifferent to them. This could stem from lack of exposure to them or lack of knowledge surrounding them (like, for example, a newer player who has never heard of ACT of FFLogs). In short, it's the "I don't know how I feel about them" option.
I hope that helped clear some things up. ^^ -
01-10-2018, 11:18 AMjameseoakesOpps I filled in the wrong one then >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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01-10-2018, 11:31 AMakaneakkiAre the add on that bad? Let me put an example here, putting add on is like adding tools in your hand. It's all up to the person how they use/handle one. Even if we did have a official parser, it wouldn't make the bad players suddenly good, they have to use the tool itself proppely to even get better. Second, an example before I started playing DRG a lot back in the days. I joined a farm group for turn 8 coil and the person in the group said; this DRG is very low on the damage, so I sat there and agreed, because I was dumb enough to join a group where I had no clue how to play DRG, no rotation or opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedkel
What did I do? I left the group and few days later started working on it. Too many players get ''humiliated/harrased'' by players because some simple don't do well enough. I'm well aware telling them they are trash over the line, but in so many examples (proofs too btw, if you ask I'll post over 15 screenshots where I kindly try to help and get harrased back, so this goes both way, so don't pretend it doesn't) Where I'm being polite and nice about it and they refuse to get good. Now imagine they do that in every group, they end up being the bad player and they tell others for being harrased.
Helping out, trying to make a player improve = harrased or you simply ''humiliated'' them. If you don't mind me asking, since parser does so much toxic attitudes etc, do you mind share the amount of screenshots of proof like I can where I get harrased for helping others, well trying? I'm only asking because it seems like you and some others here act like it happens on a daily basis.
Oh yes 1 more thing, if someone said I was bad, I would try to get better not ignore it. Ignoring it just ends you up being kicked from other groups because you aren't working well with the team. A parser wouldn't have people need to call you out for being bad dps, the parser itself will do that. I honestly think some people will be discouraged if they ended up seing how bad they are playing, of course without any knowledge, which many refuse to even get. Too many can't be bother being better but expect to be in groups where team effort is a thing. So they end up saying they got harrased. -
01-10-2018, 01:22 PMVnolan
Read the OP, but still don't get it.
There is a small number of people against parsing because 'it's not FF'. There is another small group that is against it because they don't want to have to put in any additional effort. There is a sizeable group that is concerned about it's abuse. The largest group is those in favor of it. Those concerned with abuse have valid arguments, but those aren't against parsing.
No one can comment while being indifferent. If they are indifferent, they don't parse. If they parsed, they would see what goes on and would in no way be against a tool that could alleviate such issues.
Parsing is one of the top two QoL changes requested, along with a Glamour overhaul, but it likely won't be added anytime soon. If they were to add it, they would have to eventually ban people that abused it enough times. The last thing SE wants to do is ban people. If SE had figures that the number of subs would skyrocket after adding parsing, they would add it without a second thought.
This is all common knowledge. No survey needed.
RIP the scientific methodQuote:
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