Scholar since 4.1 patch - how are we finding it?

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

I have a difficult time agreeing with the idea that Scholar's new abilities seem to synergize with the old CS for one simple reason, the fact that DPSing is still an mp/gcd investment that takes away from healing, the only difference now is that the punishment is far less harsh. Excog and Fey Union still free up the resources to allow you to invest in damage, the only difference is that you can react more quickly to something going wrong.

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You kind of contradicted your own point there? The fact that the two moves allow more window for DPS, which is the whole reason SCHs Faerie and the old percentage based Lustrate made it so good in Cleric Stance. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it looks like you kind of just explained why Excog/Union would be good with the old CS.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

You kind of contradicted your own point there? The fact that the two moves allow more window for DPS, which is the whole reason SCHs Faerie and the old percentage based Lustrate made it so good in Cleric Stance. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it looks like you kind of just explained why Excog/Union would be good with the old CS.

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The point I was trying to make was that the same investment away from healing is still there, just without the extra step that could potentially screw yourself over. You aren't casting Physick and Adlo if you're casting Broil and Miasma. The reason I'm not fond of the argument concerning the fact that these abilities are synergistic with cleric stance is the fact the system of taking resources away from healing to dps is still there.

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

The point I was trying to make was that the same investment away from healing is still there, just without the extra step that could potentially screw yourself over. You aren't casting Physick and Adlo if you're casting Broil and Miasma. The reason I'm not fond of the argument concerning the fact that these abilities are synergistic with cleric stance is the fact the system of taking resources away from healing to dps is still there.

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I see where you're coming from, and what you say isn't wrong. However, such abilities had even greater value when Cleric Stance involved a 2-GCD lockout and rewarded uptime with a 10% damage increase on top of the stat swap.

Under the current system, even players who aren't paying a great deal of attention to strategy and mechanics can weave DPS at will. It's not that faerie-based healing no longer prolongs DPS uptime; it's that the removal of CS as a stance makes it a little less vital for that purpose than it used to be.

Even if the value is lessened, it's a value that still exists, and I for one am glad that Old CS is gone, it makes the said loop of investing dps vs healing much smoother, I wish new CS was more potent, or at least lined up better with raid cooldowns, but all and all I prefer the mind scaling and the fact that using the fairy to extend your dps uptime is still a thing, even if it's weaker

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

Even if the value is lessened, it's a value that still exists, and I for one am glad that Old CS is gone, it makes the said loop of investing dps vs healing much smoother, I wish new CS was more potent, or at least lined up better with raid cooldowns, but all and all I prefer the mind scaling and the fact that using the fairy to extend your dps uptime is still a thing, even if it's weaker

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As I said before, I agree with the removal of old CS; I also suspect that Excogitation and Fey Union were designed with old CS in mind, for obvious reasons.

And yes, new CS is borderline garbage considering that it competes with other Role skills and has a fairly weak effect. Outside of AoE, healers aren’t putting out enough DPS that 5% for 15 seconds is proving very impactful.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

As I said before, I agree with the removal of old CS; I also suspect that Excogitation and Fey Union were designed with old CS in mind, for obvious reasons.

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I'm not sure about that...one of the reasons why SCH was so op in HW (and ARR as well, but we only had 2 healers back then) was CS and how it didn't affect eos' healing throughput, Giving SCH even more options to keep dpsing while letting ogcd/fairy skills do the healing would've been the perfect recipe to make SCH the undisputed healers' king, and since the devs had known that for a while, I can't imagine them giving SCH such options.

I agree though that Exco would've worked like a charm with the old CS.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

As I said before, I agree with the removal of old CS; I also suspect that Excogitation and Fey Union were designed with old CS in mind, for obvious reasons.

And yes, new CS is borderline garbage considering that it competes with other Role skills and has a fairly weak effect. Outside of AoE, healers aren’t putting out enough DPS that 5% for 15 seconds is proving very impactful.

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Agree 100% with this.

Scholar could use some QoL improvements, but other than that i am mostly satisfied with it and don't want to see dmg buffs for example. Scholar with chain and his own output is already really, really strong. Also i'd change selene as a whole and link it to dissi, because i can't see any selene buff outweighting eos without being op.

One of the ideas ive seen thrown around was Dissapation temporarily upgrading Eos into a reworked Selene that had upgrades effects to some, if not all, of its spells. While i like that idea I can't help but be fascinated with the fact that instead of reworking Dissapation, they fixed other abilities around it to make it more useable. Personally the only thing i can really think of now is either make Dissapation boost aetherflow heals, either via raw potency or additional effects, or allow us to keep building fairy guage during it.

Only thing I want is for Fey Union to have queue priority over everything else Eos casts. Slightly frustrating taking a hit potency-wise by weaving through mia 2 or straight up clipping only to not have the skill go off. Everything else feels on point.