Regarding no DRK adjustments in 4.1

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Originally Posted by MahoSenshi

And this will automatically force WAR/DRK comps, because nobody take tanks for their utility. We need roughly equal utility/dps/mitigation but different playstyles.

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I can get behind this honestly. Whats frustrating is the FFXIV Balance team dances around this issue. Believing warrior to be undesirable because "lol no utility scrubs" yet they were brought quite a bit after people figured out how much dps they did. If we had real close to the same dps per job with different playstyles per (Ex: Pld is real easy but with low skill cap, Drk is complex with high skillcap (see 3.x), War is in the middle) or some variation on that, imo no one would really be complaining. Having individual toys is nice but when your two brothers are picked over you because their toys are cooler its extremely frustrating that your parents don't care enough about you imo.

I see people here argueing that TBN is some amazing party utility for the DRK. People, let's not exaggerate. That one is at best used for helping the other tank when you're off-tanking because even if you manage to get it on some DPS in dire need in time (it has a delay) it's probably not going to be enough to make the difference, it's nice to have to help the MT a little bit but it's still only a single person thing. I'd honestly rather have some kind of slashing debuff as that would imo benefit the party as a whole more.

Whom here honestly thinks TBN has more weight utility wise than a debuff on the boss or something like passage of arms, the latter in particular being used to benefit the party as a whole for those big damage moments and help ease stress on healing. Can you honestly say you use TBN all the time on anything other than yourself or the other tank and it makes the difference and you constantly save the DPS? Because imo its far too unreliable and slow for that, not to mention the mana cost.

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Originally Posted by Eliroth-Kaminari

I realy hate ppl who say war has no Raid utility,
War has more raid utility then DRK.
TBN is only skill Dark can use on someone else.
Slashing debuff affect atleast 4/8 ppl in raid in dps wise.
Just because Trick atack make you have ninja in party does not make that war has skill this equal or bether then TBN when it come to utility as hole.
One day in 5,0 they brake ninja by nefing trickatack or some balance team find ninja op and nef shit out of Trick attack. After that war has instant bether posision in raid group then DRK based allredy on skills we have today.

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Technically having utility and it actually being useful are two different things. People wanted something useful.

Same reason why people want changes to DRK. Yes it does bring stuff to the table but is it really all that great? No, not in the mind of at least many people here and in other places.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

They said here's a sample of the changes. Meaning it's not the full list. What are you talking about? lol

My point is the OP talked as if it were a fact that there are no changes coming when the post itself says it's a partial list of job changes coming which means DRK changes are still likely.

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http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2101e334aa0853

Any more arguments?

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Originally Posted by PhamNuwen

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2101e334aa0853

Any more arguments?

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but these are not the FINAL patch notes! :O

DRK changes are still likely.

S#!t, they didnt even consider DRK what so ever. Welp it's a good thing I leveled PLD, so if I do decide to raid I have that option, because at this rate my main job is gonna get banned by the community, like 3.xx PLD. :I

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Originally Posted by Tint

but these are not the FINAL patch notes! :O

DRK changes are still likely.

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At least from what I've seen, prelim patch notes really do not change all that much at full release. And with something as big as class changes, you'd think they'd be upfront about it instead of causing mass anxiety attacks.

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

S#!t, they didnt even consider DRK what so ever. Welp it's a good thing I leveled PLD, so if I do decide to raid I have that option, because at this rate my main job is gonna get banned by the community, like 3.xx PLD. :I



At least from what I've seen, prelim patch notes really do not change all that much at full release.

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Agreed, I think I was hoping we would get somethign so I could justify a switch back to drk with my raid group but we got crap.

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

At least from what I've seen, prelim patch notes really do not change all that much at full release. And with something as big as class changes, you'd think they'd be upfront about it instead of causing mass anxiety attacks.

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i was just.... joking around...

whoever thought DRK will get any changes after the live letter announcements is just naive. especially after the 4.0 job change announcements who "were not final and they will likely change everything before release" and then we got pretty much exactly what was announced...

Even a random potency buff would be better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Eyvhokan

Even a random potency buff would be better than nothing.

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inb4 unmend 10 potency buff

please look forward to it