Image link is broken. Such a letdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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09-21-2017, 02:29 PMRaqrie_Tohka
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09-21-2017, 03:02 PMLutefiskThordan does propose that you consider aiding his cause in the audience that takes place after the trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
But when Aymeric barges in his office flinging accusations at him while refusing to disclose how he came to know about all those things he comes to the conclusion that his trust in WoL was misplaced and proceeds with his plans of Ascian annihilation alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Archbishob Thordan VII
Like I said, at this point Aymeric's father is gone and the only thing left is the peace and order primal. Much like Ga Bu's Titan it still retains some of his personality and does acknowledge that you would try to dispose of him, but he won't go down without a fight because the Archbishob has no control over it like Ysayle does with Shiva.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleo
He knew what awaited him if he would do it a deemed dying by our hand an acceptable price to pay for having one less Ascian around.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Thordan
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09-21-2017, 08:45 PMKalleraNot like we had a way to kill lahabrea either, since we used that plot device on the other one. All we could do at best is chase him away, leaving him free to plot anew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lutefisk
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09-22-2017, 09:36 AMCiliaDamn you, Photobucket!Quote:
Originally Posted by Raqrie_Tohka
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09-22-2017, 10:41 AMMysteryswordFor a while there, I thought you were referring to Photobucket as the tyrant. Which was both hilarious and appropriate, because screw them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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09-22-2017, 08:16 PMTheodric
I'm surprised that Photobucket is still a thing, honestly.
I've long since gotten into the habit of just uploading stuff to imgur or tumblr. -
09-23-2017, 12:06 AMDelilyThordan viewed his son as a tool. He was betting on Ayermic's naivety and sense of honor to see things from the perspective of preserving the past to retain social order to get Ayermic to agree with him.Quote:
Trip Aymeric up and confuse him? Why would Thordan bother doing that - the guy is right there in front of him, and can do absolutely nothing to oppose him since Thordan can just lock him up (which he did) or kill him outright (which he didn't). The only way tripping up Aymeric makes sense, is if Aymeric still posed a threat - which, at this point, he did not.
And then we get his dialog when he gets the second eye and transforms into a primal.Quote:
As for insight, we do get insight into Thordan, via two conversations with the guy. In the first, in which we talk to him personally, he tells us that Ascians have approached him, that he intends to play along with them, and plans to ultimately betray them. He did exactly these things. In the second, during his conversation with Aymeric, he announces his intentions to continue suppressing the truth of Ishgard's guilt for the sake of Ishgard's people. He goes on to go to great extremes to do exactly that.
He literally says his intention is to become a god. He says that when they bring the remains of Thordan I to him. When he transforms, he calls himself a god-king, destroys the ascian, then says he plans to seek out all chaos and excise it with his sword of righteousness, and that if we have a problem with it he's going to fight us. That is in the cut scene right before we gain access to the Singularity Reactor. Did you not pay attention?Quote:
If he has deeper motivations than the ones he said aloud, they are never revealed in game - so if you're going to imagine such deeper motivations, that's entirely on you. The game does nothing to support those conclusions. Basically, we are being provided with evidence to Thordan's motivations (from his own mouth), and you are choosing to believe that he is lying, even though every word he spoke is supported by his actions in game. Cilia's guilty of this, too, suggesting that since Thordan decided to gain the power of a Primal in order to enforce the great lie, gaining that power must have been his true motivation. I choose, instead, to believe that Thordan was being earnest when he spoke of how difficult the burden of the truth was, and that choosing to bear that burden into eternity as an everlasting Primal was, to him, a tremendous act of self-sacrifice, not an opportunity for self-aggrandizement.
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09-23-2017, 12:23 AMDelilyhttps://youtu.be/iZNm1pF-kbs?t=18698Quote:
But when Aymeric barges in his office flinging accusations at him while refusing to disclose how he came to know about all those things he comes to the conclusion that his trust in WoL was misplaced and proceeds with his plans of Ascian annihilation alone.
He knew what awaited him if he would do it a deemed dying by our hand an acceptable price to pay for having one less Ascian around.
"I am become a god.."
"Your contempt for man has proven your undoing. For my first act as god-king, I sentence you to death"
"Seeds of chaos, I shall excise them with my divine blade and bring order to the world"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGi1YPELLFQ
"Fight me if you will, Warrior of Light. I care not, all who stand against me will be destroyed, be they servants of Light or Darkness" "By my blessing, all men shall be sanctified, and an endless era of peace begins, and conflict shall cease to be."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUncyDO8CPY
"How can this be? A millennium of prayer and the Eye's powers combined, and yet you still stand?"
Why are you so intent on portraying Thordan as some suffering misunderstood hero who sacrificed himself to destroy a singe Ascian, when the game makes it quite clear he's for power over all of mankind? -
09-23-2017, 12:41 AMOkamimaru
Shiva- self sustaining, deluded but not corrupted, fighting to end a war, self sacrificing, ultimately sees the error in her approach, doesn't temper anyone.
Thordan- uses stolen dragon eyes to end a war started over stolen dragon eyes, lies to his people to keep them subjugated, corrupted by the eyes and his own lust for control and power, willing to crush any who defy him, tempers and alters his own knights.
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09-23-2017, 10:18 AMLutefiskI addressed this in one of my posts. King Thordan =/= Archbishob Thordan VIIQuote:
Originally Posted by Delily
If it was power for its own sake that he was after, there was no reason for him to wait to pull out the primal card after he got his hands on the key to Azys Lla. He could have cracked open the containment bays and slurped up all the eikon juice while we were still dismantling golems in Idyllshire. He didn't do that. He waited for us to arrive to Azys Lla and duke it out with Lahabrea and Igeyorhm to see if we could take them out on our own before wasting that one chance he had at killing them. It's only after when it becomes clear that two Ascians is too much for one WoL to handle that he transforms to finish off Lahabrea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delily
I'm not saying that Thordan was a hero. Not after what he did to Zephirin and the others. I'm merely contesting the claim that he was a power-hungry megalomaniac.