Dear Healers who don't DPS

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

. I routinely get 2-3 and I'm a very aggressive healer. I've let tanks drop to three digits because I'm timing Benediction, though that isn't usually intention. 10-20% though? Yep. I won't even look at a tank before they drop below 50% other then to toss Regen on them.

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This is how I proceed as well, but the way you put it is a bit misleading those who would be tempted to try to dps more and end up tunnel-visionning, to whom I'll add this precision :

We do look at the tank HPs - constantly - and at the Damage dealers' HPs - constantly. We also look at the aoes on the ground, all the time, and we do have our eyes on a dangerous enemy or a boss' s castbar to predict when the damage is coming, to decide when and what type of healing is the most appropriate (if any) Besides that, we try to keep an eye out on Damage Dealers 's positionning as well, to precast a cure or anticipate a Tetra / Benison / Bene, if needs be.

This type of agressive healing is not something you wanna try "out of nowhere", in the middle of an expert dungeon. Instead, it's recommended to try at lower levels, and progressively get used to it, so that you can in the end reach that type of surgery-healing.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

You can blame Donald J Trump for all it matters, it makes little difference who's at fault or whatnot in my eyes. My energy is better spent melting those trash packs than pointing the finger at the rest of the group.

Even in a very decent ~17 minute run, my DPS will have saved around 5 minutes..

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I mean, I prefer to DPS as a healer too, or else I get bored, but seriously, if your DPS are that awful, and then somebody is going to point at the healer and say "they should have DPSed more! That's why the run took so long!" that would be completely wrong.

Also, are we talking about AST DPS? Because if that's the case, I'd like to know what you're doing on an AST to do so much DPS that you save about 5 minutes on the run.

I just don't feel it's worth the time to complain about it and put others down. I've run hundreds of roulettes, if I was fighting with every healer that didn't DPS, I'd just constantly be in a bad mood. It's better to just accept that when you play with randoms, you're going to get bad players a lot of the time, or players in different situations (old/disabled) and you're likely not going to change their mind by yelling at them to DPS or they're shit players.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I mean, I prefer to DPS as a healer too, or else I get bored, but seriously, if your DPS are that awful, and then somebody is going to point at the healer and say "they should have DPSed more! That's why the run took so long!" that would be completely wrong.

Also, are we talking about AST DPS? Because if that's the case, I'd like to know what you're doing on an AST to do so much DPS that you save about 5 minutes on the run.

I just don't feel it's worth the time to complain about it and put others down. I've run hundreds of roulettes, if I was fighting with every healer that didn't DPS, I'd just constantly be in a bad mood. It's better to just accept that when you play with randoms, you're going to get bad players a lot of the time, or players in different situations (old/disabled) and you're likely not going to change their mind by yelling at them to DPS or they're shit players.

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Exactly this, if people want DPS Healer, then go with pre-made groups, simple as it is, you can't force such "silly" playstyle on someone who simply does his job.

It's the same damn thing with Tanks wanting to DPS aswell while in reallity even lower it by making healers job even harder, let people play aslong they do there job what they are supposed to do.

Yes, in this MMO you can and maybe could do damage, but you should not be forced to it, i speak as main Healer how much i keep my eyes on the Groups Health and what the Boss does, i can't at times simply not bother to try to be "helpful" with DPS.

If DPS is to low you might simply consider that some DD simply not done its job right or keept dieing due AoE's and there lack of movement, maybe even due Healer was DPSing also.

I rather have a rather normal group with each class doing its job then trying to compensate something that was the job of others, yes if the heal has time he can DPS but not as example wih Tanks thinking THEY have to DPS, less heal on them and i have time for Buffs, Debuffs or Damage, depending on what fight i am in.

I have seen enough healers burning there mana down because of this whole "rush" attitude lately alot seem ot have in this Addon and honestly, this can drive people away of the game including myself, if people want such to happen, go on and keep harass people about how oyu sohuld think they should play.

There is a simple difference between giving advice and/or insulting people for there playstyle.

Those kind of people are the ones who should stop playing and leave the rest alone, i rather have average players around me doing failures like a simple human beeing instead of so called "pro gamer" that play likea robot without any emotion, just for the goal and then lash out at you for beeing "human".

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Also, are we talking about AST DPS? Because if that's the case, I'd like to know what you're doing on an AST to do so much DPS that you save about 5 minutes on the run.

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Play like a scumbag, get combusts and regen up whilst things are moving, be casting malefics/gravities whilst they aren't. Don't be afraid to card yourself, if the DPS aren't Aoeing well, try to save up an enhanced balance or spear during bosses to use on the trash that follows, ewers are gold and you'll quickly want to throw themselves on yourself to keep those gravities coming. Try to plan CO, if you can extend a CU and regen on the tank along with a useful card on yourself that's a huge boon right there. Same goes for Dilating Boles and regens on the tank. Don't heal the DPS unless they need it to survive or unavoidable AoEs are inc. But yes, it's intensive and TBH, WHM is significantly less thought for about 30% more DPS in dungeons. It's absolutely dooable with a little practice but you need to learn to get a good feel for what you can get away with without causing more trouble than your DPS is worth. A large caveat of course is the tanks positioning and agro, I've had runs where I had to hold off on my DPS purely because I would pull agro on multiple mobs with a few aoes. Not to mention Gravity is a little more dependant on a tank stacking mobs tidily than Holy.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

I just don't feel it's worth the time to complain about it and put others down.

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Absolutely agreed, it's why I avoided the main topic at hand just to clarify how much a healer can contribute when the situation allows it. I'll try to coach people a little bit if they are willing, but that's very rarely the case. A good portion of bads (for lack of a better term, sorry) simply aren't that interested or indeed capable of playing at a higher level. Be it a lack of motor skills and coordination, netflix or whatever. As you state, it's far healthier just to suck it up and crack on with the task at hand, rock the boat too much and you just end up in the water looking a bit silly =(

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Originally Posted by Saix027

If DPS is to low you might simply consider that some DD simply not done its job right or keept dieing due AoE's and there lack of movement, maybe even due Healer was DPSing also.

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I actually had a Monk complain about my Healer DPS in Baelsar's Wall once.... We wiped twice to Captain Sloppy because both the guy was ignoring both the collar and middle sword, all after a run that was mildly sedate but otherwise entirely flawless. Highly ironic. Any DPS that's crying purely because the Healer is also DPSing needs to get a grip. If the healer is causing wipes because they are tunnel visioning on their damage then sure, that's fair. Otherwise, that's just pathetic.

Sorry to be harsh but I think a reality check is needed there, these sort of threads are typically a waste of time because of the amount of situations that get spewed around that might as well be in a fairy tail.

The whole 'I can't DPS because the tank pops sprint at the start of the dungeon and pulls everything' is another classic along these lines. That is *far* from the norm, and if you do find it happening, just try asking them nicely if they could slow down a bit.

Eh, that still feels like an exaggeration for AST DPS in a dungeon, even with playing as aggressively as possible. At this point I'd wager it's more a gear gap between you and the DPS than anything. WHM DPS is stronk tho.

PF = Healer DPS or boot.
Static = Healers do what they're comfortable with, along with a supportive group who understands they don't pay your subscription.

My point. Expect the flaming and salt in PF groups. It's where the hardcore turds hang out. If you don't want to deal with that, form a static group. You will likely learn more with a static as well.

Dear tanks who eat as much !@#% as possible.

As a tank, I have exactly 0 expectations that my healer, whose job it is to heal, thus the name healer, is supposed to do damage. If they do some DPS then great. If not, the world continues to spin and we still clear the level maybe 5 minutes slower, max. I can skim one less Reddit article before I go to bed.

Don't get me wrong, the more DPS the better. But it's so little of a deal if the healer chooses not to DPS that I'm surprised this thread got to 7 pages.

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

As a tank, I have exactly 0 expectations that my healer, whose job it is to heal, thus the name healer, is supposed to do damage. If they do some DPS then great. If not, the world continues to spin and we still clear the level maybe 5 minutes slower, max. I can skim one less Reddit article before I go to bed.

Don't get me wrong, the more DPS the better. But it's so little of a deal if the healer chooses not to DPS that I'm surprised this thread got to 7 pages.

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Out of curiosity, when you're not tanking, would you be ok with a tank who would do (close to) 0 DPS (assuming they would be able to keep hate)? Would you also consider that not a big deal at all?

Sure, if the healer was DPSing the amount I would be in place of said tank. Thankfully, that hypothetical situation is impossible to accomplish in FFXIV with the exception of a PLD who only used flash . . . which has probably never happened ever. Conversely a healer not DPSing can still occur while they do their job and the three other members do their respective jobs. And the dungeon would not be significantly longer for it.