Possible AST nerf

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Originally Posted by simiii

If you didn't get a aoe balance then just use one you have stored and try again you have a extra 10 seconds to draw and see if you get a ewer/spire or balance if you didn't get any those 3 cards then your just outa luck

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I don't think you read my whole post....and you also missed the sarcasm.

Keeping Balance on 60-70% of the fight is pretty much not possible for any fight above 8 minutes. So you actually cannot teach me how.

I mean you have a chance to win the lottery even though it is really really low chance, but claiming AST can keep balance on 60-70% of a 10 minute fight is about the same as saying "oh I lost my job and I'm gonna be homeless soon, no problem, I'll just win the lottery, I don't need to try to get a job."

Maybe for dungeon bosses....but those are dungeon bosses it is the most casual of casual content and matters little when it comes to job balance.

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Originally Posted by Eclipsed

even if they nerfed AST... SCH would still have terrible shields, terrible MP management, and the fairy would still be useless. WHM would still have tremendous overhealing that isn't needed, and no utility. Nerfing AST isn't the best answer, it is just dragging them down into the muck with the rest...

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They did it to SCH from 3.X to 4.X so... no I think SE is going to have to drag AST down.

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Originally Posted by simiii

You on famfrit? Or w.e data center it\\\\'s on? I\\\\'ll GLADLY make my point oh and I can get like 5-6 aoe balances most time in a fight each balance is 30 seconds (or 40)
That\\\\'s maybe 2-3 min of balance how long are most fight? 5min? Maybe lil longer? Granted ya balance dose have some rng on it but I can average out 5-6 aoe balances a run some runs I get less some runs I get more

Combin divine seal with aoe shield or aoe shield with collective easy blocks all dmg from most aoe or stack mechanics

Btw I do play ast more often then my whm now

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i have an entire 70 dungeon and 1 run in Doma castle without any Balance showing up, then I have a run in the Aery with almost every single draw get me balance

just saying when RNG kick in there are no reference point for how high the chance it came up

What's even the point of this thread? Did they say they were gonna make further adjustments to it? No? Then what's the point of his thread again? Unless I missed something from the live letter I don't see why this thread even exists. o.O
Also OP, where did you hear RDM or SAM being nerfed? That's just gossip lol. Yoshi already said that they don't have plans to adjust them at the moment. Where are you getting these false rumors from?

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Originally Posted by Reilyn

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You're missing a lot of context for the changes you addressed.

1. MP costs were changed and aetherflow was nerfed because scholar has access to lucid dreaming now. Leaving out that fact is incredibly disingenuous.

2. AST shield is stronger for 1 reason: to balance it with deployment tactics.

No one is denying that Sch needs some love, but it's no where near as bad off as the people that can't apply proper context would have you believe.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

and then YOU ALSO do the same thing. Lmao! because solo healing her is incredibly hard, for ANY healer. You clearly do NOT know more if you thought noct was anywhere close to "poop" you already failed, Come back to me after savage is released. Not to mention if you're solo healing, you'll be using dirunal anyway outside of r dungeon trash, but this is the different situation that i was talking about.

Lakshmi is serious, true endgame it seems.

Also Nobody cares about server first of the second easiest primal. But as i stated above, when some actual hard content is released, we'll see where you stand.

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I said raid, my dear. Aka midas and creator which both you didn't clear apparently. Now isn't problem of mine if you can't read Lmao

How about this. You can keep you shields, but Balance is going back to 10%.
Deal?

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

You're missing a lot of context for the changes you addressed.

1. MP costs were changed and aetherflow was nerfed because scholar has access to lucid dreaming now. Leaving out that fact is incredibly disingenuous.

2. AST shield is stronger for 1 reason: to balance it with deployment tactics.

No one is denying that Sch needs some love, but it's no where near as bad off as the people that can't apply proper context would have you believe.

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It's bad enough when I can't justify a reason to bring a SCH over an AST for anything right now if given the choice between the two when SCHs do lack in every category I listed. I've played SCH since 2.0, cleared gordias savage, and seen how ASTs sucked first hand back then, and even advocated for buffs for them because they were in the situation SCHs are in now.

Using a 2min cooldown as an excuse to make one spell consistently more powerful is stupid, and again, SE knows it, which is part of the reason they're probably reducing the cooldown of deployment tactics after the fact, so your second point was actually rather stupid if you're talking from the context of 2-min-cooldown deployment tactics.

You haven't said a word about anything I said actually being inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by Reilyn

IYou haven't said a word about anything I said actually being inaccurate.

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OK. Lucid dreaming make your points about MP costs wrong. Broil II potency balances out losing bio and makes that point wrong.

And you also raided Gordias where SMN was meta, so your point about e4e is nothing new.

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Originally Posted by Reilyn

when SCHs do lack in every category I listed.

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If you are going to compare two jobs you need to compare their whole toolkit. You left out A LOT of stuff in your comparison post so it just doesn't hold much weight like that. (for example you completely ignored that SCH has a fairy with healing buffs and extra heals that AST doesn't) So there is just extra things you have to math into that you left out to compare properly.

I was thinking maybe they could reduce Noct's shields down to SCH potency and give them the crit aspect and also reduce adlo's MP cost to the same as asp. benefic to make them more equal? Just an idea.