Standings of Black Mage, Red Mage, and Summoner

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

If you want to fix op BLM, all you have to do is decrease the cool down of triple cast to 30-45 seconds and put back the potency taken away.

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fixed that for you. ^^

Maybe Blm should stay above RDM yeah but making him the magical SAM will cause even more discussions... he currently is strong in both single target and aoe - yet I know balancing like in HW (one single king one aoe king) isnt that easy anymore with the appearance of a third challenger but giving him buffs to be king in both would be overreacting...

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Originally Posted by Neela

fixed that for you. ^^

Maybe Blm should stay above RDM yeah but making him the magical SAM will cause even more discussions... he currently is strong in both single target and aoe - yet I know balancing like in HW (one single king one aoe king) isnt that easy anymore with the appearance of a third challenger but giving him buffs to be king in both would be overreacting...

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You do have a good point as well, the aoe on RDM...I mean...its there...sort of nothing really compares to the majestic Flare of a BLM,well DeathFlare iwas pretty good too, dunno how it is now

Honestly I feel like BLM damage is about right. A touch more wouldn't hurt but I don't think there's anything to be salty about.

I think what does need to be improved is how clunky it feels, and the best suggestion so far has been to increase AF/UI to 15 seconds. This would raise the skill floor slightly, and thus average DPS, without making BLM overpowered at higher percentiles.

If the Devs could also slip an extra 360MP in there somewhere, as well as reduce Aetherial Manipulations CD, then I'd be happy as pie.

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Originally Posted by Nyx_Archevauliere

Honestly I feel like BLM damage is about right. A touch more wouldn't hurt but I don't think there's anything to be salty about.

I think what does need to be improved is how clunky it feels, and the best suggestion so far has been to increase AF/UI to 15 seconds. This would raise the skill floor slightly, and thus average DPS, without making BLM overpowered at higher percentiles.

If the Devs could also slip an extra 360MP in there somewhere, as well as reduce Aetherial Manipulations CD, then I'd be happy as pie.

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You want 600MP, not 360.
I'm totally not ok with my 4.0 rotation being weaker than my 3.X one, too.
(Heck, 2.X is practically as strong as 4.0 so what do I know xD)

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Originally Posted by Neela

fixed that for you. ^^

Maybe Blm should stay above RDM yeah but making him the magical SAM will cause even more discussions... he currently is strong in both single target and aoe - yet I know balancing like in HW (one single king one aoe king) isnt that easy anymore with the appearance of a third challenger but giving him buffs to be king in both would be overreacting...

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While I don't want them to touch the cds of Sharpcast/Ley Lines/Triple, Triple isn't that big a raw dps gain. Triple is just a "feels good" ability because you can run around, but in practical terms, I don't think it'd change a lot.
There's like... two patterns on Susie where that would help (double puddles+churning and that clusterfuck at the end where he does levinbolts+cloud+knockback into Ukehis). On Lak I don't even need any mobility at all.
I mean, I kinda hope that they don't change the cd, but if they did, that wouldn't really change the numbers on the 90% percentile. It would help less skilled BLMs bridge the gap tho.
And we're not that strong in single target... we're like 4th or 5h.
Ofc SMNs are worse off- this is notwithstanding with the need for SMN buffs. There's people like you and CecMiller already campaigning for that with solid arguments, so I'll sit that one out (gonna start levelling SMN this week so I'll rant about that later).

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Originally Posted by Nyx_Archevauliere

Honestly I feel like BLM damage is about right. A touch more wouldn't hurt but I don't think there's anything to be salty about.

I think what does need to be improved is how clunky it feels, and the best suggestion so far has been to increase AF/UI to 15 seconds. This would raise the skill floor slightly, and thus average DPS, without making BLM overpowered at higher percentiles.

If the Devs could also slip an extra 360MP in there somewhere, as well as reduce Aetherial Manipulations CD, then I'd be happy as pie.

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BLM Damage is about right under which aspect? AOE is undoubtful very powerful for BLM at the moment.
BLM being below RDM in damage on both Ex Primals, except for like 99%, is not.
RDM offers vastly superior group support than BLM.

To me Red Mage is perfect atm (my opinion) Blm needs some sort of buffs and smn for sure needs buffs.
Nerfing a job because others in the same or similar category need fixing is not the solution, i would rather they buff the others

Really hope all these people completely missing the point and saying BLM needs a heal and a raise to be balanced aren't the same people that have complained ceaselessly about healers doing DPS...

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Really hope all these people completely missing the point and saying BLM needs a heal and a raise to be balanced aren't the same people that have complained ceaselessly about healers doing DPS...

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Pls no, Blm need neither heal nor raise, that's not our identity. We're pure and destructive dmg, just, atm it doesn't feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

Pls no, Blm need neither heal nor raise, that's not our identity. We're pure and destructive dmg, just, atm it doesn't feel like it.

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Exactly! I don't want FF14 to turn into GW2 where everyone can heal themselves. It's boring.

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Originally Posted by OgruMogru

Really hope all these people completely missing the point and saying BLM needs a heal and a raise to be balanced aren't the same people that have complained ceaselessly about healers doing DPS...

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Thankyou From the bottom of my heart th th thank you!