As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

These type of players who came to the MMorpgs Genre after the release of WoW.

Cancer community. If you dont enjoy the game itself (with cutscenes for better atmosphere) for what are you playing then?

How i imagine those people to look like:
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It's a pretty obviously poor argument to claim that just because someone doesn't want to spend 35 minutes doing nothing in five year old content just to get some poetics that they must not enjoy the game. If anything, the fact that they're so dissatisfied with essentially not playing the game would suggest the opposite. It's unreasonable to expect people to enjoy a dungeon the 1,000th time as much as the 1st time. It's not how people work in general with this or any other type of experience.

I mean really, who's the "cancer" here? The person who doesn't want Praetorium to take an hour or the person who is insulting every last one of those people based on their own personal prejudices and close-mindedness?

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

As has been mentioned SE dun bad, they KNOW they dun bad, and they have promised never to dun bad again. So far, they've lived up to it - there are no lengthy cutscenes mid-dungeon for any instance after 2.0. They've also made it clear that they have no intention of going back and trying to "fix" the old dungeons. They are as they are and as they will be. Thankfully, with the level cap now at 70, it's not difficult for very small undersized parties to run these dungeons.

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An undersized party of 2 (one tank/dps, and one healer) could probably clear the Praetorium. The only reason you can't solo it is because Nero treats you like a hockey puck, and likely if you could get past Nero you would have to chase Gaius around too. You can absolutely solo Castrum Meridianum (I've done it at level 60 in i180 gear.) It just takes a very long time.

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Come to think of it, if you want to experience Castrum the way it was meant to, tick "undersized party", turn cutscenes back on, go solo. I'm pretty sure it will take about an hour.

Unfortunately, as much as I would like for them to go back and redo these two dungeons doing so would divert resources away from making new content and it doesn't take an MBA to figure out that's not a sound business decision.

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Originally Posted by Dahwoon

Also one asshole at the end decided that allowing people to watch a few lengthy cutscenes wasn't part of his agenda so he typed up a big paragraph which I'm pretty sure included key story points and spoilers from both Heavensward and Stormblood. So now before I've even gotten around to buying the Stormblood expansion, there are a few things I now know beforehand which pisses me off..

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Wait, did someone actually do that? Someone was enough of an asshole to do that out of spite?

SE actually takes story spoiling very seriously, especially when it comes to random DF parties. I've heard it's actually a reportable and bannable offense, so report his ass if you haven't done so already.

LOL...shouldn't this be filed under the "funny DF stories" thread? How come I've never gotten these when I use DF? ><

I'm sorry to hear about this, but I sympathize with both sides. The cutscenes are ridiculously long, so it's not really reasonable to ask 7 other people to sit through them, since it will more than double the dungeon clear time. However, intentionally spoiling the story or kicking people who watch cutscenes is absolutely disgusting behavior that I can't condone. As it stands, I think it's annoying, but oddly a nice balance. The people wanting to see the story can choose to either watch the cutscenes and skip the fights or skip the cutscenes and enjoy the fights, then watch the cutscenes at an inn. In exchange, the speedrunners have to do without one or more party members, which also slows it down.

In the end, if you want a true story run of it, you'll need to find a party that joins knowing that ahead of time via Party Finder. You could also do it on minIL, as some people might join to enjoy the challenge.

Personally, when I see someone is new to the duty, I try to explain to them the two best options for the dungeon since I can't control what others do.

1. Sit and watch ALL cut scenes as they happen while everyone else just rushes the dungeon, then run it again to be able to experience the fights.
2. Skip them to experience the fights, then go to the Inn and watch them so you aren't missing on story.

Most people aren't even aware of the watching cut scenes in an Inn until someone mentions it, and are usually grateful for the information.

Another issue is they put the old dungeons in the DF and people have ran them a million times and dont feel like waiting around. Honestly the only time I make people wait is the first dungeon I run in expansion. There is usually always a couple... and Im the healer so if they run ahead... welp their loss.

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Originally Posted by Dahwoon

Also one asshole at the end decided that allowing people to watch a few lengthy cutscenes wasn't part of his agenda so he typed up a big paragraph which I'm pretty sure included key story points and spoilers from both Heavensward and Stormblood.

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Can we, as a community, petition to have that player perma banned? I am utterly repulsed.

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