White Mage just might be okay

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Seriously, I get that you're trying to stay optimistic for WHM, but not everything about AST has to do with Earthly Star. Earthly Star is more like the salt on the open wound.

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Pretty much, yeah. Earthly Star is the "lol let's outclass Assize (if you don't want to let it charge) and Cure III (if you do want to let it charge) at the same time."

But the problems run so much deeper. Starting with "Hey let's give WHM a small buff to cure and cure II... and then give AST an even stronger buff to not only benefic and benefic II, but all its heals! And we'll nerf WHM's strongest heal CD, give AST another instant heal, let AST put out card buffs more often, give SCH a super strong raid buff..." etc.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I'm internally screaming so hard. My RAGE over Astrologian's mere existence is intense right now.

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Even as an AST main the reveal of the WHM abilities hit me hard, because I really wanted great things for the class, and I wanted to be optimistic. Many ASTs like myself don't want to feel like the already privileged kids with lots of toys getting more toys because: reasons. There was NO need for the 15% healing on our sects, Earthly Star is waaaay too powerful, and the AoE Spire/Ewer thing is too much sugar in my coffee. I love my class, and I loved it and mained it before we got any buffs, but this is ridiculous. Even now I feel a bit tainted when I play my AST. :/ Right now, not only WHMs, but all healers, no, ALL CLASSES should be insisting on better healer balance, and giving White Mages an identity that they can be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Valmaxian

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Thank you. i'm a WHM main and i've seen more people of other classes (AST in particular) rally against what these plans are, it's nice to see just one more person seeing the negatives, not saying there aren't positives...but there's a LOT of negatives going on here for WHM.

I've been number crunching all day, and it suffice to say: any dedicated same single target healing sequence shorter than 40 sec and reoccurring at least every 90 sec, AST wins over WHM:mad::mad: in dealing with the sequence. Mainly bc of Synastry and now that Divine Seal is shared...and Ast's cure 1 and cure 2 equivalents are 10 potency and ~48 potency respectively over actual cure 1 and cure 2...and Synastry makes that gap even uglier...:mad: Silver lining AST's regen will be -84 potency pre-Synastry compared to WHM regen:o

However! if you have multiple single target healing in quick succession then WHM regains the lead over AST ;););)

The only other case where WHM healings pulls ahead of AST is in AOE..WHM is still king there....the sad thing is all our new utilities are under single target healing:confused::confused:.

So I would like to amend my stance on WHM....if we DON'T get multiple single target dedicated healing sequences content (basically solo healing comp) and/or long same target single healing sequences content (like a Faust)... our healing utility will at BEST be par with AST healing utility for predominantly solo target healing content ....in which case players with the aptitude to efficiently handle the higher APM of an AST will sufficiently sustain and bring more avg DPS to the party than with a WHM....:(:(:(:(

Moral of the story...Maybe...us WHM should become friends with AST:confused::rolleyes:...and go back to picking a fight with SCH??!:mad::p

#i'm officially in the worried camp/"doom-and-gloomers":cool:

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Originally Posted by javid

:mad: Silver lining AST's regen will be -84 potency pre-Synastry on WHM regen:o

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You need to do more crunching. Diurnal stance makes AST's regen higher (total) potency than WHM regen.

That said, this isn't about interclass hostility (at least for me and I think a lot of us?). I did not like where 3.0 AST was and was calling for buffs to it. But I also do not want to see history repeat itself. WHM is already being shunned for PF content, and this will make it far, far worse. Perhaps worse than it was for 3.0 AST.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

You need to do more crunching. Diurnal stance makes AST's regen higher (total) potency than WHM regen.

That said, this isn't about interclass hostility (at least for me and I think a lot of us?). I did not like where 3.0 AST was and was calling for buffs to it. But I also do not want to see history repeat itself. WHM is already being shunned for PF content, and this will make it far, far worse. Perhaps worse than it was for 3.0 AST.

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...you need to read the new tooltip as per the Media tour. AST Aspect benefic is no longer 190 instant heal then 140 ticks for 18 sec. It is now just 140 potency for 18 sec. So even with the 15% base healing buff you end up with 1.15*(140potency*6 ticks) = 966 potency

Meanwhile Whm regen is still 150 potency for 21 sec = 1050 potency...

NICE TRY THOUGH!!!:cool::cool::cool:

link to media tour tooltips for AST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKak8KZkgqg

link to media tour tooltis for WHM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh6K_81v4ds

Video 1 confirms at 1:21 the Aspect Benefic tooltip DOES actually retain its instant initial heal and that it has been raised to 200 from 190

This video shows that Aspected Benefic still has an initial heal for 200 potency. Thus, with Diurnal Sect's 10% healing increase, it's 1'144 potency. :p

Edit: Furthermore, Mr. Happy's gameplay video gives further proof that Aspected Benefic in Diurnal Sect has an initial heal.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

This video shows that Aspected Benefic still has an initial heal for 200 potency. Thus, with Diurnal Sect's 10% healing increase, it's 1'144 potency. :p

Edit: Furthermore, Mr. Happy's gameplay video gives further proof that Aspected Benefic in Diurnal Sect has an initial heal.

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uuuh re-read your names....... Aspect Benefic is a single target regen ability. On the other hand Aspect HELIO is a aoe regen with the base 200 potency + 40 potency ticks.... ;)

also on that 9min video.... you have to give us a timestamp.... 9min is a loooooong time to be staring at the screen to either catch and read the tooltip on Aspect Benefic and or catch the player using the ability and determine if we notice an instant healing portion of the skill.....

But the tooltips I linked are from the same Media tour Mr. Happy was at. So it's unlikely they'll read differently; it may have been ill translated but there are not gonna have one reading on Mr Happy's tooltip and a different one on Ms Tech's video since both persons recorded the same event.

WONG!

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Originally Posted by Valmaxian

Earthly Star is waaaay too powerful

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The potency on it is completely unnecessary. I honestly can't see the waiting 10s for 900 potency AoE heal being necessary or even that useful for anything.

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Originally Posted by javid

Snippety snip.

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We were clearly talking Aspected Benefic and Regen, why are we suddenly on about Aspected Helios and Medica II?

And I also gave timestamps in both links. Don't know why they're working for you (otherwise 9:56 for the first one, and 0:31 for the second one).