I am so sick of Thok ast Thok.... (Nerf request)

Is it harder than Second Coil of Bahamut- Turn 4 unsynched where everyone keeps dying before second golems spawned because meteors were to close together? If so you must getting REALLY BAD groups duty roulette... also leveling crafting classes can help you save money on repairs... I figured that crafters were there just to kill time while waiting for new expansion to drop... but they help save money for end-game content... also yeah the normal/hard mode of Ravana is unbalanced because of the butterflies turning into flies which put Vulnerability Up stacks which you should ONLY SEE IN EXTREME/SAVAGE MODE!!! Also Hard mode dungeons since those are a thing...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Is it harder than Second Coil of Bahamut- Turn 4 unsynched where everyone keeps dying before second golems spawned because meteors were to close together?

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To be fair, that one also has to do with RNG sometimes.

OP, have you considered, um. Explaining the fight to the group? Marking targets of interest so people will know what to burn? Told people to get away from OT during that phase? Just because not any pug group can faceroll a trial doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. Sometimes a brief explanation is what stands between a very salty disband and clearing even a synced ARR Ex trial.

Did you actually just write an essay about nerfing a faceroll story mode primal? How is it hard? I can't remember the last time I wiped in that fight, pls explain how 1 player can fuck up the butterfly phase? You dont need remotely perfect dps or any coordination in that, just your average add phase.

Tam Tara has adds that make the boss invulnerable, three times, if level 15 sprouts can deal with that I can't see how level 50+ players can't deal with an add phase...

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Originally Posted by BlastHardcheese

Tam Tara has adds that make the boss invulnerable, three times, if level 15 sprouts can deal with that I can't see how level 50+ players can't deal with an add phase...

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When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe. But, there are a lot more instant death conditions in that battle, kind of like when you fight Titan. You can fall of the arena and there's the adds and the stacking. It's just a sudden difficulty spike more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe.

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Ironworks is i120 or i130 if upgraded.
- Dusk Vigil, the only dungeon unlockable before Thok ast Thok drops i120 gear;
- MSQ before Thok as Thok reward HQ crafted i125 gear;
- Sohm Al, the dungeon after Thok ast Thok, drops i130 gear.
How is having ironworks gear being undergeared, then?

Furthermore, since the only lv. 54 stuff is crafted i133 and the best weapon at this point is lv. 50 i135, the only way to have better gear than upgraded ironworks for this fight is having a complete set of i133+ (HQ if crafted).

Consider the following:

Git gud.

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Originally Posted by Blanchimont

When I did it, lot of people were undergeared at that point, still using their level 50 Ironworks. It makes the DPS check really close and a few mistakes will lead to an instant wipe. But, there are a lot more instant death conditions in that battle, kind of like when you fight Titan. You can fall of the arena and there's the adds and the stacking. It's just a sudden difficulty spike more than anything.

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They're complaining about a few weeks ago levels of gear though, there's a bit of a difference.

Also: Titan HM as you said had that falling mechanic, and "adds" (prisons) and bombs, and a dps check and stacking (old WoTL strat.) It's not so much a difficulty spike as actually having mechanics you can't faceroll.

I have never had any problems with that trial. Have only seen enrage on it once in the past two years. most parties clear in 2 to 3 tries.