Stupid reason to report someone

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Remember, this thread came up over a hest whose main reason for failure is too much DPS. If the healer is asked to DPS the turtle, they're perfectly right for refusing to do so. Even on a DPS job, I'll stop when the turtle is down about a quarter of its health, leaving the rest for the tank in order to ensure he/she can more easily get it to the right damage level without accidentally killing it trying to keep aggro. As a healer, I won't even touch the turtle, and only DPS the adds.

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This thread came up over the main reason the tank was an ass for killing it and calling the healer out. Too much dps in the turtle heist is only possible by brand new players who honestly didnt know better and have plenty of time to stop before its dead. If the healer helped dps to reach the required hp limit to spawn the fire mob then it would save time overall and they could then stop dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS.

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And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage. While their main focus might be healing its pretty clear and obvious that you should be dpsing if you dont have to heal. Again, the game is telling you so itself in the "tutorial" kinda thing. Healers have to stop denying that its also their duty to deal damage. You have the skills for it - use them! Dont just sit there and wiggle your thumbs (specially a scholar could practically just hit auto-follow; done expert with a friend of mine yesterday, he healed me like three or four times while the fairy did the rest and he was basically a third dps) and dont defend such behaviour. While it might not be a reason to report someone, it is a reason to kick that person. And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Remember, this thread came up over a hest whose main reason for failure is too much DPS. If the healer is asked to DPS the turtle, they're perfectly right for refusing to do so. Even on a DPS job, I'll stop when the turtle is down about a quarter of its health, leaving the rest for the tank in order to ensure he/she can more easily get it to the right damage level without accidentally killing it trying to keep aggro. As a healer, I won't even touch the turtle, and only DPS the adds.

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You can only accidentally kill the turtle if there are illiterate AND oblivious people in the party. (Which, itself is a different problem.) The fire sprite appears when the turtle is half health. There is ample time to stop hitting it.

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Originally Posted by Accelerating

I do not use OGCD's as a DPS. It is a choice I make.
I literally stand around doing nothing when there's no OT stuff to do as an OT. It is a choice I make.
I do not use Wanderer's Minuet as a Bard. It is a choice I make.

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I know a DRG who won't use Blood of the Dragon because "it's too confusing." I regularly out DPS him on my AST.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage.**snip** And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

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No. Actually. Back when the first round of Alex Savage happened and there was a DPS check as high as a wall, there was a huge discussion about healer DPS because early clear parties had to maximize everyone's DPS to clear. It turned out that in fact the content was balanced without healer DPS in the first place, but it assumed more or less ideal gear and perfect execution of optimal rotations. Because of that, early clears really required healer DPS to help make up the gear and execution gap.

But it was made clear by the devs that they do not in fact count healer damage output when balancing content.

Frankly, your attitude and use of insults is a perfect example of the mentality nthat hurts the game, community and other players.

Healers and Tanks should not be forced to dps.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

Healers and Tanks should not be forced to dps.

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Forced to DPS? No. Encouraged to DPS? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage. While their main focus might be healing its pretty clear and obvious that you should be dpsing if you dont have to heal. Again, the game is telling you so itself in the "tutorial" kinda thing. Healers have to stop denying that its also their duty to deal damage. You have the skills for it - use them! Dont just sit there and wiggle your thumbs (specially a scholar could practically just hit auto-follow; done expert with a friend of mine yesterday, he healed me like three or four times while the fairy did the rest and he was basically a third dps) and dont defend such behaviour. While it might not be a reason to report someone, it is a reason to kick that person. And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

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this is completely wrong and inaccurate. The game does not expect healers to deal damage. Its part of a very old content that came out when people couldnt even figure out the optimal dps rotation on top of lacking the appropriate ILVL gear. Now some people adopted the healer dps strategy to proceed further into clearing the content to be faster instead of waiting to be geared up, but that has nothing to do with the fact that you need to dps as a healer or a tank.

i've seen so many wipes caused by healers that instead of healing were dpsing, or tanks that switched to deliverance because they wanted to dps and they got annihilated by the next mechanic in their face.
you want to dps? go dps.

Do what you want with your game, so long as you do not bully another. If someone wants to suggest dps'ing fine, but the healer doesn't have to take it. Please get over it.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

this is completely wrong and inaccurate. The game does not expect healers to deal damage. Its part of a very old content that came out when people couldnt even figure out the optimal dps rotation on top of lacking the appropriate ILVL gear. Now some people adopted the healer dps strategy to proceed further into clearing the content to be faster instead of waiting to be geared up, but that has nothing to do with the fact that you need to dps as a healer or a tank.

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Actually no, the novice-stuff that inculdes those tutorials is not very old content; it was introduced together with the mentor-system. Just because savage isnt relying a 100% on Healer-dps doesnt mean that healers arent meant to dps.