Dev Team, show me you care about your players because I just don't see it (long read)

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Game had to be remade almost from scratch, be thankful they let us keep our chars.

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this right here. they A. didn't shut down servers, letting us continue playing while overhauling this game *and* making an entirely new game at the same time, and B. are letting us keep all our progress EXCEPT FOR SHIELD (which you actually still keep if you have gladiator leveled, lulz) when we transfer over to the entirely new version of the game in the future.

that's unprecedented.

it's like people are just *finding anything* to moan about. and i mean... there are definitely some things worth moaning over. but this?

lol.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

Why should this get locked?
I think OP has a valid point.

I also feel that lots of the things we have done in the past up until now AND until end of next year will be in vain.

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The only reason you feel this way is because you likely don't understand this is a game that's going through a major overhaul -- An MMO that's been given to you for free beyond a box price for a year. In order to get this game off of the ground major changes need to happen, they're even making it harder to overhaul this game by allowing players to keep the majority of their data.

People voted for class changes as well because let's face it, absolute freedom can't be balanced.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

How about, if your Sentinel class is wiped, a free Gladiator class to make up for it. How about if your class is wiped or changed extensively, we will make up for it by giving you a choice that's meaningful. Not "your class is wiped by the way your gains are invalid" with nothing further.

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how about, you level your thm 7 more levels to 50 if you wanna be a blm so badly. how about, you level your gladiator 11 more levels to 50 if you want to cross class the shield skills.

43 to 50? two or three natalan parties.
39 to 50? a couple iron lakes raptors parties and two or three natalan parties after that.

if you spent less time complaining about this and more time in game being productive, you'd knock that out in a weekish (2 hours a day for five or six days) or less and your entire argument would be rendered moot.

your argument is ludicrous anyway because *you never leveled sentinel as a class of its own*- it just came along with your conjurer/thaumaturge levels. *you invested absolutely zero additional effort on this* and were rewarded free skills as a result. yet you're acting like you're being punished for 50 levels of added effort? laughable.

so you effectively want your non-effort resulting in free skills to be compensated for more free skills for no effort?

you could've just said so from the beginning rather than parading around with this ridiculous and completely unfounded sense of entitlement.

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Originally Posted by fusional

how about, you level your thm 7 more levels to 50 if you wanna be a blm so badly. how about, you level your gladiator 11 more levels to 50 if you want to cross class the shield skills.

43 to 50? two or three natalan parties.
39 to 50? a couple iron lakes raptors parties and two or three natalan parties after that.

if you spent less time complaining about this and more time in game being productive, you'd knock that out in a weekish (2 hours a day for five or six days) or less and your entire argument would be rendered moot.

your argument is ludicrous anyway because *you never leveled sentinel as a class of its own*- it just came along with your conjurer/thaumaturge levels. *you invested absolutely zero additional effort on this* and were rewarded free skills as a result. yet you're acting like you're being punished for 50 levels of added effort? laughable.

so you effectively want your non-effort resulting in free skills to be compensated for more free skills for no effort?

you could've just said so from the beginning rather than parading around with this ridiculous and completely unfounded sense of entitlement.

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I can't read a Neptune post without laughing at how immensely idiotic they are...


You hit the nail on the head with what you said... and honestly 43 - 50 can be done easily in 3 hours or less in a good party.

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Originally Posted by Mamba

I also find it slightly annoying that I can't be the DD THM now with my shield... why did I lvl my THM with a crappy wand when I could have played with a staff?

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Who said that you can't equip a shield with a one-hand weapon anymore? SE only said that you can earn your shield skills only with GLA after 1.20.
I think you can still equip a shield and the shield skills as cross-class skills as mage.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Who said that you can't equip a shield with a one-hand weapon anymore? SE only said that you can earn your shield skills only with GLA after 1.20.
I think you can still equip a shield and the shield skills as cross-class skills as mage.

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You're partly right. Shield skill is being abolished, as in it won't exist as itself. However it will happen, GLD will absorb its skills (somehow). But, as it stands, it seems other classes will still be able to equip shields.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

The reason people voted yes so strongly, was to fix the problems they complained about, not the problems they didn't complain about.
If they decided to delete everyone's character the day before 2.0, are you STILL going to return to; "Well, you DID vote for drastic changes."

(Deletion being done, solely to change all races into 1 new one, with a new world/story, and no levels/exp, or classes. Pure example of how this relates.)

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This is what I was thinking myself. The general rhetoric from the previous posts is "if Square-Enix decided to turn your character into a walking lump of shit, embrace it, because you DID ask for radical change, didn't you?" Neptune still has a right to criticize changes he feels don't make sense - and IMO, invalidating the use of Sentinel on anything BUT the GLA class made me scratch my head. This is coming from a 50 GLA - I found it rather neat that the DoM classes had differing options on how they could play themselves - either all out with a two handed staff, or a bit more defensively with a wand and shield.
Edit: I see that now you have to level GLA to 50 to have access to shield skills. Well, that sucks. I know it's necessary for streamlining, but that sucks regardless - GLA's a pretty gimped class at the moment.

tl;dr - Change can be good, but change for the sake of change can be equally as stupid.

CNJ players aren't mad they're not going to be BLM, they're mad because they're getting hit the hardest from the spell streamlining. We don't know details yet but cutting the CNJ ability list down to 15 is going to hurt somewhere. That, along with CNJ/THM players now having to level Gladiator (which is at the other end of the job spectrum) to get their shield skills back again and they have every right to complain.

I think it's best if we wait to see the exact details, but the way it's been announced so far has been driving people into mass panic. I don't like the idea of possibly losing 2/3rds of my CNJ spells, but ultimately we need to wait and see what SE have planned.

While the game was free, I expected huge major changes, even ones that could alter the game immensely.

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Originally Posted by Uriko

CNJ players aren't mad they're not going to be BLM, they're mad because they're getting hit the hardest from the spell streamlining. We don't know details yet but cutting the CNJ ability list down to 15 is going to hurt somewhere. That, along with CNJ/THM players now having to level Gladiator (which is at the other end of the job spectrum) to get their shield skills back again and they have every right to complain.

I think it's best if we wait to see the exact details, but the way it's been announced so far has been driving people into mass panic. I don't like the idea of possibly losing 2/3rds of my CNJ spells, but ultimately we need to wait and see what SE have planned.

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You get to choose 10 skills from other classes. You're telling me that you would use 3 skill slots to get Aegis boon, Deflection, and Outmaneuver? Maybe you won't take all three, maybe you just want Aegis Boon... you don't know what level that will be given to gladiator at. If it's level 15 are you going to be mad? How about level 20? 25? 30?

Let's be honest, how many serious mages don't have gladiator at level 36 right now for Sentinel?

Unless they fix the horrible block rate, I don't see any point for complaining as you might block 1 attack over the duration of any shield skills.

Anyway, if I were a mage and I could only take 10 cross-class skills... knowing that classes are for solo / light party play.. I think I would choose things from THM. Really people have no idea how the spell streamlining will work, so why even bother to speculate. Just senseless QQ about the unknown.