Egi Glamour is coming out for 3.5....

For something that has had all its assets in the game since launch (ie. carbuncles), not being able to do this for so long is really a bad joke by now. They could easily have slapped an additional skill "Summon Carbuncle" on SMN and call it a day ages ago, it would have been an ugly and rough stitchwork of solution, but at least we would have it already. Instead of - whatever else they're trying to do that obviously seems way too complicated and/or low-priority to pull off.

I am sad, I just want my Carbuncles back. When I started the game I choose this class because I love playing pet classes in games and because the Carbuncle looked so beautiful. I mean it looks like it has its own personality. I am really happy if someone wants something in the game (like the camera options for screenshots) and gets it, even if its not something I would use..but at the same time I cant stop feeling a little salty that those are chosen over the egi glamour..We know that we would get Carbuncle first and they even said that its only one egi per patch..So it would already be a lot of time if someone wants a certain egi. And yet they still cant manage to give us at least the Carbuncles while teasing us with them in the story. (Maybe I should take some lessons from Alphi..)

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Originally Posted by Chessala

Seriously, not playing the class because the summon doesn't look sexy enough is BS. What does it matter? Either you like the gameplay or you don't. I have seen no shortage of summoners and any increase you see for the class will be short-lived if it is only a visual thing.

I really wish they would improve the gameplay than focus on this stupidity.



The Chinese clothes are just getting the code for it and the assets. Any decent programmer can implement that in a few minutes. The camera though is nothing but idiocy. All the time and resources wasted in a screenshot feature? Please....they have nothing to do, I have a few suggestions for them.

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I do agree that they should improve the SMN gameplay, I'd much rather it play like a... well, traditional summoner than it is now (not that I don't find it fun, now) with DoT management being more important than the... summoned thing.

At bolded. Just like any decent programmer could take the already made Carbuncle so many want and add an interface like the already implemented glamour one to let you switch to its already made model... in lets say, a day tops?

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

I was hopeful that my original short, blunt response was obvious enough in showing a similar level of sarcasm.

And you are, of course, entirely right.

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Don't worry, it was. I was actually adding to it up until the brackets, but then I got carried away.

At this point, I'd settle for them redesigning Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan. No extra coding required, no bull**** that takes multiple years worth of work to complete, just simple redesigns that can be done by the modeling and animation teams to make the summons at least look on par with the Carbuncle model. Hell, you take the minion versions of them that are already in the game and use that. I don't care, just something that makes me feel more like I just summoned the same thing that I originally fought so many patches ago.

Hell, I would even say don't even bother with a new set of glamours. I'd rather see them add the other primals in as actual spell attacks in 4.0, where they pop up, use their signature attack, and disperse. That way, we get new spells that do new things, in a way that makes me feel like an actual summoner. I mean, that's how they've been handled in the series for the longest time anyways, so why not borrow from that?

Admittedly, rather than new Egis I'd almost rather see some primals just incorporated into various attacks, in addition to the current egis. For example, perhaps "Painflare" becomes "Ramuh's Wrath", and the attack summons a Ramuh Egi which blasts them with lightning or whatever. Maybe a new DoT (or one of the older ones) can be converted into "Shiva's Revenge" with some new ice effects and a mini-shiva. That way Summoners don't require new pets all the time (which might be difficult to differentiate mechanically) but still "gain summons" with their new skills. This would require some serious modifications to the class, however, and I can't see something like this happening outside of a major expansion.

As for the Egi glamours, I can't exactly blame them for putting it on the backburner. There are three major problems with Egi glamours from a prioritization standpoint:

1.) It's Niche Content: "Egi Glamours" is a cool feature, but it only applies to a small subset of players. According to the 2015 official census (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...e8ff1bcf34c5ae ) approximately 9% of job distribution is Summoners. You can increase it to 18% if you also include Scholars, but it's still a small subset of players that can even use it. It's actually likely significantly less than 18%, considering pretty much every level 60 Summoner also has a level 60 Scholar (provided they complete the class quests). Plus, you'd likely have to be lvl 60 to use the feature, which makes the users for it even lower. I don't know how the numbers are generated, so for all we know the actual amount of "Summoner Mains" who would use it might be even lower than 9%. It's a cool feature, but ideally they want a larger percentage of the games population using a new glamour option. Plus I can't wait to see the forums rage about how "this was included over X".

2.) It's Expensive Content: Believe it or not, it's incredibly time consuming and expensive to create new models and animations. In a recent interview, Yoshi P stated it takes 6 months to add a new outfit to the game, partially due to the altered models for different races and the like. Creating new, unique models (and especially animations) is incredibly expensive and time consuming for most games, not just this one. It's the reason most games use a lot of recolored or slightly modified enemies, because it seriously helps to cut down costs. Egi Glamours would be no exception to this (surprisingly high) cost, especially considering each glamour they add needs their own set of animations. This is especially true is they allow you to use any primal in any of the three roles. Currently, each Egi has Six different attacks / animations (including the summoning animation). That means that for each new/updated egi, they need to have at least six different animations, possibly somewhere in the 12-15 range if they want to allow them in any role. That is going to be far more expensive than it sounds. Admittedly this isn't as relevant for the Carbuncle, who'd only need around three more animations, but even that isn't cheap.

3.) It Might be Difficult: Lastly, depending on how the game is coded, it might be a significantly more difficult task than it appears. It's not necessarily simply "swap out model". Whether it be hard-coded, client-server data integration or simply poor planning this could actually be a very difficult feature to implement. Plus it would necessitate new menus of some sort, and a lot of more backend work than it may appear. I don't know enough about their code base to speculate on their difficulty, but working in the software industry has taught me that many times "simple" changes can be a herculean effort. They are likely dealing with a lot of old code that wasn't designed to make this kind of feature easy to implement. Once again though, that's just me speculating.

So, while I truly understand and respect the desire for Egi glamours, I also understand why it's not considered an especially large priority by the game designers.

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Originally Posted by Lithe

So getting the chinese dress is more important? Getting new hildebrand quests is more important? How about that group photo thing? c:

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Well I'm not sure SE only has one team who can work on everything in the game ^^ They have dedicated teams (and skills) for dedicated parts of the game who have to work sometimes together to create a feature.

Every time the topic of egi glamour comes up, I can't help but feel you guys are leaving something out.

I dont think it's really fair to give a glamour system for egis to summoners and exclude scholars from that system. I'd wager there's as many scholars that dont like thier pet looks as summoners. If summoners get new pet skins, I don't think scholars should be left out. After all, we are all arcanists.

Thoughts?

It'll just be ramuh grape booger instead of garuda sour apple booger. The most underwhelming implementation of smn in any FF of all time

Just change the summoner to a necromancer class, abd make summoner a real pet-oriented class. I can see it working in the back of my brain. But whatever; they're afraid of the backlash they'll get, when they just went all out on one class.

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Originally Posted by Tiva

Every time the topic of egi glamour comes up, I can't help but feel you guys are leaving something out.

I dont think it's really fair to give a glamour system for egis to summoners and exclude scholars from that system. I'd wager there's as many scholars that dont like thier pet looks as summoners. If summoners get new pet skins, I don't think scholars should be left out. After all, we are all arcanists.

Thoughts?

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It's assumed that when Egi Glamours are spoken about, most people want Fairy Glamours too. It's just easier to refer to the system as a whole as Egi Glamours.

And the Eos/Selene models are both of much higher quality than the Egis to be completely honest with you.