AST buffs in 3.4 Changes to Barries and Cards.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

It's not royal road, spread, shuffle etc, it's the fact that they've introduced rng into the selection of a class's skills. This is a gimmick. Selection of skills should be down to the player, not a roll the dice rng, ooh look what I got mechanic.

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Crit Adlos allow you to completly bypass some mechanics and are also unreliable. The RNG of crit Adlos has even more impact on the fight than AST cards.
The only difference is that AST's cards include some kind of possibility of being "unlucky", whereas the effect of Adlos is always positive and spikes with a crit. You just don't pay attention to it because you always play around the idea that you won't have a crit, and that it's only a bonus when it happens, meaning it always feels rewarding. Getting a Balance or an Arrow doesn't feel that way, it just feels "normal", like it's the intended way of things... so the only real feeling you can have with the cards is when you don't get what you want, leading to disappointment.
But still, the effectiveness of Adloquium is tied to a RNG heavy mechanic too, no matter how it makes you feel. The punishment for being unlucky might not be the same in the two mechanics, but the RNG concept is.
Getting a crit adlo is a "ooh look what I got" mechanic.

For one time I partly agreed with your answer teraluna but still

As Fyce said
The CritAdlo is far more a gimmick than card
Yes skill should be choose by the player
But card are a bonus, their will never hinder the healing or dps capabilities
Only smooth them (bole on tank allow less stress during healing)

And as Fyce said more or less, the card system is choosed by the player, we do choose to have a rng bonus
We are lucky that there is no malefic/malus card (which honestly could have make it funnier, but hindering the gameplay)

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Also i concurrence... I would love a battle oriented healer
Something strong enough for 4man content
But more dps/support in 8man

Let's not forget we have 4 buttons dedicated to this meh mechanic while other jobs got 4 real abilities. When you try to anything synced to level 50 as AST, it honestly feels like you forgot to equip your jobstone. You just have so few abilities.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

Let's not forget we have 4 buttons dedicated to this meh mechanic while other jobs got 4 real abilities. When you try to anything synced to level 50 as AST, it honestly feels like you forgot to equip your jobstone. You just have so few abilities.

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It's padding in an attempt to distract from the lack of real utilities. All that just for a hit and miss rng bonus, whilst as you say other classes get real skills.

If they took away the rng and let players equip the card bonuses on their hotbars (with a common cool down) - then you'd just see a couple slotted. But they won't as this would remove the padding, making players more aware of the thin skills list.

So this slot filling gimmick stays put, suggesting somehow that playing an rng mini-game in the middle of an often hectic raid group is a good thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

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It's padding in an attempt to distract from the lack of real utilities. All that just for a hit and miss rng bonus, whilst as you say other classes get real skills.

If they took away the rng and let players equip the card bonuses on their hotbars (with a common cool down) - then you'd just see a couple slotted. But they won't as this would remove the padding, making players more aware of the thin skills list.

So this slot filling gimmick stays put, suggesting somehow that playing an rng mini-game in the middle of an often hectic raid group is a good thing to do.

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maybe they finally realized "hey, we have draw, redraw, royal road, and spread all attached to a single mechanic and it's something like an 85% chance at garbage and the winner draw is pretty small too... Maybe all the effects should be quite strong so that the choice of where to put them or royal road is the big deal instead of pounding away hoping for the good one"

as far as nocturnal sect goes, considering scholar has all the utility and the fairy and basically infinite mp, a much larger potency than scholars seems to be the way to go. Since they specifically mentioned it will favor high skill, maybe a massive shield but only like 5s duration or something along those lines?

I shoudo remind that with or without card and card skill your healing power doesn't change
While if you remove some abilities to the 2 others they are broken

And if we speak about sync
The one most hurt is the whm since 90% of his gameplay is suppressed by sync
Sch become hurt become he lose 75% of his healing power (less if EoS is rightly controled)
Ast on the opposite only lose a bit of his dps (ok nullify his aoe abilities) but stay fine

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Any player blaming rng on card did not learn to use them because they all are great and have utilities in their current state
I fear the up incoming because it might be so great that... Well some people might cry :D
And nothing make a dps pants go wet more than a well timed card from ast rather than a whm no support

I never try to do Astro in synced (I'm assuming you mean lv50) content, it's just far too slow without a Holy equivalent.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

I shoudo remind that with or without card and card skill your healing power doesn't change
While if you remove some abilities to the 2 others they are broken

And if we speak about sync
The one most hurt is the whm since 90% of his gameplay is suppressed by sync
Sch become hurt become he lose 75% of his healing power (less if EoS is rightly controled)
Ast on the opposite only lose a bit of his dps (ok nullify his aoe abilities) but stay fine

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Any player blaming rng on card did not learn to use them because they all are great and have utilities in their current state
I fear the up incoming because it might be so great that... Well some people might cry :D
And nothing make a dps pants go wet more than a well timed card from ast rather than a whm no support

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It's not about learning to use them at all. They all have descriptions like every other ability.

It is about the RNG gimmick put in to pad out the hotbar for something that's just a buff, a pot luck mess getting in the way of the main elements of the Astro.
I've seen posts on here from healers who've cleared the content without even going near the card lottery.
That shows two things:
1. They are not playing the class to it's full potential, and.....
2. It didn't matter
- because for them the card mechanism is too much trouble for too little outcome.

Which other healers do we have where you click on a skill and wonder what's going to happen? It's totally different than the chance of seeing a skill crit or not, because you don't even know what's going to pop out of the lucky dip bag.

You know what? It's less trouble for other classes to complete their full rotation sequences that have a real impact, than this cumbersome rng mechanism for an unpredictable lesser output.

The whole slot padding card idea needs to go. It's a buff, and should be a quick one click action. Put them on a common cool down and let the player choose how many of these they put on their hotbar, - all of them highly unlikely, or what in fact would happen - just a couple.

Card system is far à trouble

Each card have 15zec duration it's more than enough to act
Beside when clicking draw you don't have an infinite possibility
Only 6 way to go, and 5 on redraw
It's not that much to think about and plan in battle

It's almost instant reflexe in most case

Not high random situation here

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The only meeeh point is that yes... You cannot macro that skill because of it's rng
Yes it force you to think and act accordingly
Something i know whm are not force to do often, i will admit that...

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

Just a flat increase to nocturnal field barrier strength and card potency/duration would be easy to do and still wouldn't make scholar useless.

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A little late to respond to this but, it is literally impossible to 'make scholar useless' at this point without giving scholar serious nerfs (which they won't do) XD.