Live Letter 3.2 tank changes, vit effects tank attack

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

Part of the changes in 3.2 makes it so you can not forbidden meld primary stat gear.

So say you have a ring with 1 materia slot, you can put a primary stat materia in that slot and the 4 forbidden melds after that can only be made with secondary stat gear (Skill Speed, Parry, etc.)

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People would likely just do the Main-stat in the first 2 (it'll probably be 2) slots, then ACC/DET in the others.

Doesn't dissuade them from double dipping, especially with Tier V's available now (2 slots = +30 STR... current accessories are reaching 49, so the difference isn't that drastic.)

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

People would likely just do the Main-stat in the first 2 (it'll probably be 2) slots, then ACC/DET in the others.

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No, it's one. They've stated there won't be any 'forbidden melds' which means anything beyond the default single slot is out of the question for primary stat materia. This also means you won't be able to meld strength if you melded critical hit, for example, in the first slot.

Honestly, it's kind of nice that tanks can finally wear tank gear proudly. It was immensely silly how so many were slapping on strength accessories in an attempt to supplement their poor damage.

As a healer, I'm not happy about this in the way that others will be because I did not have trouble healing STR tanks whatsoever.

As a tank, I'm not sure what to feel about this, but the majority of tanks carry both sets anyway/

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

No, it's one. They've stated there won't be any 'forbidden melds' which means anything beyond the default single slot is out of the question for primary stat materia. This also means you won't be able to meld strength if you melded critical hit, for example, in the first slot.

Honestly, it's kind of nice that tanks can finally wear tank gear proudly. It was immensely silly how so many were slapping on strength accessories in an attempt to supplement their poor damage.

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Some gear has two slots.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

People would likely just do the Main-stat in the first 2 (it'll probably be 2) slots, then ACC/DET in the others.

Doesn't dissuade them from double dipping, especially with Tier V's available now (2 slots = +30 STR... current accessories are reaching 49, so the difference isn't that drastic.)

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I guess we will have to wait and see the gear when it happens. I would be shocked to see any accessory with more than one base materia slot on it given that as far as I know they have literally never done it before. Not to mention giving two slots to crafted accessories would defeat the purpose of the gear changes being made. The changes on VIT scaling and materia melding on raid gear are both in place to take away from the perceived need to spend a quadillion gil on crafted accessories and materia to "be a good tank." (I also looked through the xivdb, not a single accessory has double materia slots in heavensward.)

Which is another thing to note, raid gear will now have materia slots but I believe it was mentioned in the last live letter that you are forbidden (hah) to forbidden meld it.

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

I guess we will have to wait and see the gear when it happens. I would be shocked to see any accessory with more than one base materia slot on it given that as far as I know they have literally never done it before. Not to mention giving two slots to crafted accessories would defeat the purpose of the gear changes being made. The changes on VIT scaling and materia melding on raid gear are both in place to take away from the perceived need to spend a quadillion gil on crafted accessories and materia to "be a good tank." (I also looked through the xivdb, not a single accessory has double materia slots in heavensward.)

Which is another thing to note, raid gear will now have materia slots but I believe it was mentioned in the last live letter that you are forbidden (hah) to forbidden meld it.

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I -might- be mixing it up, due to left-side pieces having two slots, to be fair.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

As a healer I'm pretty meh about it. I liked the current tank meta with str tanks and vit tanks. It made healing more exciting for me. In dungeons I would push myself to see how much DPS I could churn out before needing to turn off cleric stance and heal. Now dungeons are going to be even more of a bore.

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I love how I'm the odd one that doesn't get bored very easily.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

I -might- be mixing it up, due to left-side pieces having two slots, to be fair.

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I don't blame you, it's why I took the time to filter all accessories out just to confirm.

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

I don't blame you, it's why I took the time to filter all accessories out just to confirm.

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Mm. Even still, let's say that the increase* of VIT and the reduction* of STR makes it so that they are equivelent - basically, that having VIT is the same as having STR.

The idea of Pentamelding accessories would likely be enforced at this point, using VIT as the base (max stat) with a Grade V materia. Let's look at a current one we have:

an i150 Fending Ring is +26.
An i210 Fending ring is ++49

So, slotting that i150 (if it allowed it) with a Grade V would be 26 + 15 = 41. You'd be a little short, but that's due to the nature of the difference in ilevel.

Let's pretend there's a crafted i190 ring for tanks. It would have +40 VIT.

Slotting a V into that kinda ring would = 40 VIT / 15 STR. a total stat of 55. You'd be in a pretty good position to be stronger than most end-game pieces like that, while suffering minimum losses on VIT.


Edit: Clarification. I typed Reduction of Vit/Increase of STR but meant to type Increase of VIT/Reduction of STR xD

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

I -might- be mixing it up, due to left-side pieces having two slots, to be fair.

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You are, yes. No accessories have ever had two slots. The only gear with two slots is left-side stuff. And even though left-side gear has two slots already, it's already capped on Primary Stats, so there isn't going to be any benefit to melding STR on them for tanks.

Tanks might get some benefit out of melding a single Grade V Strength Materia on crafted accessories, but it honestly depends on how great the level difference between crafted gear and raid gear is (we don't really know what it'll be like at this point), and also how much value STR actually contributes (I'm skeptical of any AP conversion for STR that's higher than 40% and suspect 30% is more likely right now, but we won't know for another month).