Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

The problem with this whole Str/Vit debacle is that there's no specific right answer simply because both stats are helpful and both do different things.

Yes, in most cases Strength will be the right choice. But you're giving something up. You're giving up a pool of Effective Health. In most cases it wont make a run easier and certainly wont make it faster unless it's the difference between a healer getting enough time to fire off some aoes on big packs. But still... you're giving stuff up.

And that just feels sucky for a tank. DPS and Healers don't have to give anything up, they just constantly increase their entire effectiveness by wearing one set of gear. It's awesome to increase our strength, and do as much damage as possible. But it's also nice to get tankier and tankier as you go through content, and because most tanks start off with a mix of str/vit as they delve into content they're undergeared for or unfamiliar with, it means that as they gear up they swap out vit for strength and never really feel the full effect of being tankier.

I'm certainly not advocating full vit. I'm very much in the Strength camp myself. I just wish people would stop making sweeping statements about a one-size-fits-all mentality for tank gearing, and also understand that even the tanks that stack strength will have that annoying feeling in the back of their mind that they're giving up stats that do in some way help the role that they're brought along for.

This fight is absurd based on the premise of ??????? WHAT???????? Guess what else is based on strength (Attack Power) : Equilibrium (HEAL) CLEMENCY (HEAL)

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Flash isn't effected by STR
Thr only argument for STR is slightly higher DPS on one single target and more percentage blocked. That's it. When it comes to trash pulls, VIT > STR (on Paladin.)

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Yes, it is.

http://i.imgur.com/yMsxrjo.png

More STR means more damage when you rotate Goring Blade on multiple targets, which is what you should be doing on aoe pulls. It's definitely not bad.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

I value your opinion as a person.

Have a great day

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this pretty much covers my opinion except
what are you smoking/
can i have some?

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Originally Posted by braneri1

The point of what you quoted either completely went over your head, or you're deliberately making a strawman argument to avoid facing the facts. I'm not sure which is more pathetic.

Flash is absolutely affected by str, yet you wish to stick your head in the sand as regards to an easy method anyone can use to prove it. Block (and parry) damage reduction hasn't been affected by str since HW came out. Might want to actually know what you're talking about before acting like you do and making a fool of yourself.

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Lol good one. To bad it doesn't and your making a fool of yourself.

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Lol good one. To bad it doesn't and your making a fool of yourself.

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Woahh repeat what someone said to them, ya it's affected by attack power which is strength. So are self cures. That is why Berserk increases Equilibrium by 50%. The percentage of damage parried use to be effected by strength but they changed it because they didn't want anyone having like,45% parries. Pop a strength potion and cast clemency and do it without one. As warrior I dont have to I have berserk.

Tough guy over here. Look out.

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Originally Posted by Seku

Nah I'll accept that. ;x

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Yeah I know ^^ Just like how some VIT tanks agree that there's a point to stacking STR but that they prefer not to do that, for whatever reason they have. It was mostly just an equally adamant response to the post above mine ^_~

(Plus... It doesn't really matter what the 'truth' is regarding STR vs VIT. Because outside of top raids, which isn't done with a PUG anyway, it really is all a matter of what the individual people want. If a DRK wants to stack STR (or VIT) accessories with PIE melded on them for longer Darkside, that's up to them to do. Of course, it's equally up to the people meeting said tank in DF to accept that or not; if they don't, they're free to leave the dungeon =) Or vote-kick, if their opinion should happen to be in the majority. Trying to force other people, strangers, to play the game your way is in my opinion unacceptably rude.
Note: "your" isn't referring to you of course, Seku ^^)

I think VIT has it's place, even if it's not the most effective stat.

When I was leveling my tank jobs I went full vit, it's a good cushion and gives you more room for error per say.

Once I had hit lvl50 and had gotten comfortable with content and my job I started mixing and matching str and vit.

After that I went full on str, but keept vit around in case it's needed for some reason or another.

As for heavensward content I usually rotate str and vit well leveling than go back to full str once capped, though I do have 1 vit ring and allocated my 35 points into str, mostly because the vit ring had better secondary stats than the str, plz SE I don't need all this acc ...

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

Lol good one. To bad it doesn't and your making a fool of yourself.

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Flash threat is 100% determined by your Weapon Damage + Strength. It just has its -damage- value set to zero but counts as if you were doing a 600 potency attack, and potency calculates off your Weapon/Strength. Vit tanks do less threat with a flash than Strength tanks, and has been shown and proven many many times.

However, yes, you can argue that stacking strength for Flash threat is pointless if you can hold threat with a vit spec on huge pulls. In these cases, the Strength stacking

Paladins are probably the tank that -least- benefit from a strength spec on large pulls. It helps Circle of Scorn and Goring Blade Spam of course, so it certainly is useful - it helps a bit but either spec works. Warriors and DRKs are very much suited to strength spec on big pulls though as their AOE threat moves do so much damage/self healing.

It's all down to how much Vit you have in your left side gear. If you're in 190+ gear on left side then you really wont need the vitality at all for huge pulls in 4mans. If you're lower or unsure of the healer (as a Paladin at least) then vit accs on big pulls wont hurt as you're not really losing the group that much potential dps.