Punishing divas who jump ship before a dungeon even begins.

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Originally Posted by Mykll

Ok. I can't do certain dungeons due to my internet. Do I do any Roulette that has them? No. Not worth my frustration or anyone I am grouped with.

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I sympathise - I had to quit EU Aion when I moved back east, despite loving the PvP, purely because of the latency and packet loss back to Germany. But that's not really the point, is it? At some point you would have had to run those instances to clear them, (and find out that you had these problems.) And during that run, you would have presented exactly the kind of issue that drives a lot of people to quit problematic instances, like the Vale.

Essentially, during that clear run, you've forced the other guys to put up with the situation, regardless of the time cost it carries for them. That's not your fault, and not something you've done to be malicious, but that's still how it is. A lot of the people going into instances like Vale for the first time won't be going in again, (just like you,) because they're going to have a horrid experience, and because it's not worth using it for levelling. It's still a pain in the butt for the people stuck with them during their clear run, (who are in a hurry, and have limited time each evening to jump through the hoops Square are forcing them to jump through.)

That's pretty much how the levelling Roulette goes in general, is it not? Props to you for doing the right thing, since, but someone still had to put up with it with you, the first time?

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Originally Posted by adn

Personally I think they should steal a page from WoW's PVP queue and allow you to pick only two dungeons to blacklist. That way you have at least a little bit of choice over what you don't want to see if you're particularly tired of seeing something.

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That's a great idea. Have you suggested it?

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Originally Posted by Amberyl

Supply and demand says that, you mean?

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I suppose. But really, when was the last time you got Sastasha and saw a New Bonus? I don't think iv'e ever seen it. Altering the system to avoid dumping you and 3 other capped players into content no one needs would fix that. You would only ever do it if the Demand got really high, which would only happen during the Launch period when we get an influx of new players.

As to the mandatory story stuff for new players. Thats actually not a problem, and IMO, plays to the benefit of XIV, especially over WoW.
It has to do with story cohesion and giving new players content for what they paid.
WoW has a huge problem presently in that the world no longer makes any kind of sense. You have to buy 5 expansions to play WoD but you never see the content in those expansions because no one does it. Even leveling a new character through the affiliated zones, you get halfway through said expansions zones and hit the level break to go to the next expansion.

With XIV you get ARR base story/content, 2.1 - 2.55 story content, then you get into HW and you get all of the attendant patch content. Next expansion will keep adding new content for a new player to enjoy.
Yes, there will be players who don't care about the story and just want "to do raids". Unfortunate for them to be sure. But i don't think they're in the majority.

There are a LOT of early MSQs that is just fat padding. Heavensward cutdown on that a lot. But i don't think we need to start cutting Dungeons out of the MSQ. Especially as the reason behind the desire to cut them out is to benefit veteran players not wanting to do them than new players.

No offense intended at all, But if you do not wish to do that older content, you have the option to simply not do the Roulette's. They are not mandatory. A veteran player need never even look at Sastasha ever again. So there is little need to rejig progression for the lower levels.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Look, I don't like these two dungeons just as much as the next guy but tomes is tomes. Just do it and be done with it.

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And even then, there's better and faster ways to get tomes. I don't even bother with leveling dungeons on my main.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I suppose. But really, when was the last time you got Sastasha and saw a New Bonus?

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Sunday, I believe. And I got Darkhold and Garuda with new bonuses this week too. Don't forget which server cluster you're on :p

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Originally Posted by Sylve

No offense intended at all, But if you do not wish to do that older content, you have the option to simply not do the Roulette's. They are not mandatory. A veteran player need never even look at Sastasha ever again. So there is little need to rejig progression for the lower levels.

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I have three classes I absolutely love, and have no desire to drop any of them. I also want to try the new ones from HW when I get time to level them. Roulettes are mandatory for me, given the play time I have available, or I'll simply never get enough tomes to gear up.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

If couldn't tell, i hate ragequitters. Just do the content you just signed up for!
But hey, If you want to ragequit out of easy dungeons, I'll try to convince you not to but i can't/won't force you to stay. All i can do is ask you not to screw 3 other people out of their time.
In the end, I'll just get the replacement and finish it before you get your next queue anyways. /shrug

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Thing is, sometimes people aren't rage quitting which is what I've been trying to get across. I have a friend who has a baby and sometimes he likes to wake up at really bad times even though usually she can do stuff while he is asleep.

You can't just make tons of assumptions about people when you don't even know who they are or how they play. Since you met in a random DF in which they left. How do you know they didn't JUST run that dungeon and helped all the new people by explaining mechanics. Yet they queued again and RNG gave them the same dungeon somehow with like a 1% chance and they wanted ANY other dungeon but that one since they JUST did it.

They could be one of the nicest players in the game but you just assume they are ragequitting jerks.

People have their reasons for leaving, and you shouldn't ever be personally offended cause someone left an instance in a game. It's just a game and maybe the reason they left was way more important than a game.

^I have no problems with people leaving for real life stuff. But common courtesy of "I've got to go, something came up" would go a long way.

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Originally Posted by adn

With respect to healing AV, you are in the minority. That is all I will say. Tanking AV is whatever, there's nothing particularly difficult for a tank in there. Really good XP for that stretch between 45~50 though. I think it actually gives more XP than Dusk Vigil

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then I must be a minority too beause I like it too..there is nothing hard in there, unless the tank pulls too many mobs more then he can chew...there is nothing hard and gives a hell lot of exp. Why people hate it is something I find it hard to understand.

Anyways, if people leave and eat the penalty, they have my respect, they didnt waste my time they decided to go as an adult should, we can disbanned and requeue or wait for replacement. If you are in a roulette, requeuing for one shouldnt be too long and you probalby wont come back to AV...so really not sure why peopel complain.

Besides, all those that consider themselves Mr or Mrs perfect, you sure you ALWAYS were in that situation where you needed no help AT ALL from anybody ? especially in a new dungeon you have never done ? ...no need to answer I already know it ...

Why people have so little patience...I Wonder.

Mei

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Originally Posted by Miste

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Real life intervenes all the time. There is no problem with that.
Though i imagine your friend at least has the decency to say "Sorry guys baby woke up i have to go" before quitting.

If she quits in silence, it looks very much like "i dont like this and now im leaving".

Perception is key here. I have no problem with people who have to leave due to life. Happens to me often enough. Its the communication that makes the difference.

When you've done your research on your class and the dungeon prior to going, and it's your nth time running, a new player that comes in with zero knowledge is grating. It seriously takes one Google search and 5 mins of your time to make the dungeon ride fun and smooth. I want to help sometimes but other times if I've had a long day I won't have tolerance for that, so yes I will leave.