I am a bad tank coz i use vit(tank) gear!

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

Should healers DPS?

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Well...yeah, wouldn't want to be a hindrance now would they? If you ain't DPSing you ain't winning, which means you're a loser.

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

Since we're on a pointless, opinion-based topic from another forum:

Should healers DPS?

Same argument, same sides, different roles...

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It's similar. But Healer DPS is buffed by MND so they don't sacrifice dps for healing, in regards to gear.
On the flip side, unlike Healers, Tanks are going to be hitting the boss regardless so they don't lose as much dpsing, in regards to skills used in battle.

The Healer debate is about what you do during a fight.
This Tank debate is (mostly) about how you gear, WAR stance dancing aside.

The difference comes in when, say, a healer can stop dpsing on the fly but a tank can't change his gear in combat when things get hairy.
Or on the opposing side, a tank doesn't need to stop Tanking to dps while a healer needs to stop healing (in most cases) at least for some time.

This whole debate is why I stopped trying to level my warrior. Since I main scholar, I can completely see the value of healers and tanks maximizing dps when the situation is favorable. But then the community gets involved and everything goes to shit...

The fact is, I've become too uncomfortable trying to figure out how to play a warrior optimally because I've seen the following attitudes on these boards:

STR Tanks: 'WHAT?! You don't know how to do this intrinsically?! Git gud scrub or gtfo.'

VIT Tanks: 'Stop trying to be a useless dps scrub or gtfo.'

I know there are also level headed players in each camp...but the 'angry' ones seem to be the most vocal anymore...

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

This whole debate is why I stopped trying to level my warrior. Since I main scholar, I can completely see the value of healers and tanks maximizing dps when the situation is favorable. But then the community gets involved and everything goes to shit...

The fact is, I've become too uncomfortable trying to figure out how to play a warrior optimally because I've seen the following attitudes on these boards:

STR Tanks: 'WHAT?! You don't know how to do this intrinsically?! Git gud scrub or gtfo.'

VIT Tanks: 'Stop trying to be a useless dps scrub or gtfo.'

I know there are also level headed players in each camp...but the 'angry' ones seem to be the most vocal anymore...

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Honestly, if you want to level WAR and enjoy it then just do it and find what works best for you. If that's full VIT until you're comfortable with stuff and then swapping out to some STR accessories or melded then that's fine. But in the end you do what you and your group are comfortable with.

The majority of us STR tanks are doing what we do because we want to get the most out of our job as we can and aren't comfortable just sitting there in turtle mode. It's not what the job was designed to do (Which Yoshi even stated when people were calling for a nerf to WAR damage). But again, if you want to play it then play it and do it the way that makes you comfortable. The issue arises when people try and preach that their way is the only way.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

This whole debate is why I stopped trying to level my warrior. Since I main scholar, I can completely see the value of healers and tanks maximizing dps when the situation is favorable. But then the community gets involved and everything goes to shit...

The fact is, I've become too uncomfortable trying to figure out how to play a warrior optimally because I've seen the following attitudes on these boards:

STR Tanks: 'WHAT?! You don't know how to do this intrinsically?! Git gud scrub or gtfo.'

VIT Tanks: 'Stop trying to be a useless dps scrub or gtfo.'

I know there are also level headed players in each camp...but the 'angry' ones seem to be the most vocal anymore...

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Take the middle ground. 3 Fending and 2 Slaying Accessories.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

This whole debate is why I stopped trying to level my warrior. Since I main scholar, I can completely see the value of healers and tanks maximizing dps when the situation is favorable. But then the community gets involved and everything goes to shit...

The fact is, I've become too uncomfortable trying to figure out how to play a warrior optimally because I've seen the following attitudes on these boards:

STR Tanks: 'WHAT?! You don't know how to do this intrinsically?! Git gud scrub or gtfo.'

VIT Tanks: 'Stop trying to be a useless dps scrub or gtfo.'

I know there are also level headed players in each camp...but the 'angry' ones seem to be the most vocal anymore...

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Advice: Don't take the things you read here to heart. Otherwise, you're going to want to take the next step, which is quitting, because they'll make everything seem like it's the wrong way to do things.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

It's similar. But Healer DPS is buffed by MND so they don't sacrifice dps for healing, in regards to gear.
On the flip side, unlike Healers, Tanks are going to be hitting the boss regardless so they don't lose as much dpsing, in regards to skills used in battle.

The Healer debate is about what you do during a fight.
This Tank debate is (mostly) about how you gear, WAR stance dancing aside.

The difference comes in when, say, a healer can stop dpsing on the fly but a tank can't change his gear in combat when things get hairy.
Or on the opposing side, a tank doesn't need to stop Tanking to dps while a healer needs to stop healing (in most cases) at least for some time.

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Technically that can be true but requires that you go to cleric stance and lower your healing. Healer DPS comes from INT, same as mages. Cleric stance swaps out MND and INT scores. So, yes, you will gimp your healing to have any real amt of dps.

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

Since we're on a pointless, opinion-based topic from another forum:

Should healers DPS?

Same argument, same sides, different roles...

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Yes, yes, and more YES. I'm tired of seeing healers, especially in low level dungeons just sitting there, doing nothing when the tank isn't taking much damage. Healer dps may not be much, but even a little bit can speed up a dungeon run.

On my PLD I macro switch STR / VIT gear based on the fights ahead before pull. If want to pull a big mob i switch to VIT, if i have DPS mainly single target ie MNK and NIN or even BRD in my party ill switch over to str and pull in smaller amounts. If the DPS is more heavily geared than me, ill switch to STR otherwise they will pull hate off me. If i had the choice, I'd prefer i180 crafted VIT with Melded STR and get real balance than switching to 2 extremes. Id gladly take a hit on VIT for STR and STR for more VIT. On my WAR, I need VIT all day, I absolutely hate seeing my HP fall below 50% and even the most skilled healers will have some complaints about the squeamishness of a WAR. Though I don't know if this will change, I haven't gotten WAR or DRK to 60 yet.

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Originally Posted by Ayrie

Since we're on a pointless, opinion-based topic from another forum:

Should healers DPS?

Same argument, same sides, different roles...

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well again situational, we dont have a real raid yet so i will take examples from t11 and t12 while we were progressing, i agree with my whm that at certain points in the fight i wanted to dps, for intstance bane the bennu/blackfire alogn with our smn, and in turn11 i would go full dps the first adds etc. what ever both healers like to agree on is propably good and u can try and stretch it and see how it works out for u ;)