Why do you dislike Garlemald Empire and Ascians?

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Garlemald: Genocide.

Ascians: They literally exist to kill Hydaelyn. Shouldn't need to ask this, but I think you did mention you skipped a lot of cutscenes.

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Not so much with the Ascians. They exist to restore Zodiark and have already tried 7 times and failed. They don't so much want to kill the planet rather than restore it to its natural state before what can be assumed is the first astral Era. Hydaelyn the Crystal is trying to prevent that.

Garlemald's Goal is the same as both the Scion's and Hydaelyn's Goal. Stop the Primals from being brought forth to stop the damage being caused. Both are calling for Genocide. The Garleans with the Beast Tribes and any territory that becomes too rebellious. And Hydalyn with the Ascians as well as any creature from the void, well anyone that disagrees with her in general. Kill all the Dark things which makes Dark Knight rather interesting as you take on that Job while you are void of her blessing.

I wonder often what Hydaelyn's motives actually are. I guess that makes me a prime target for Ascian Influence. Whelp come and get me Elidibus.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

OP has never seen an Ascians true form I take it.

On the topic of Garmald sure lets join up with them why not. Its not like a guy lost his sister and mother because they decided to jump off a cliff rather die than go back to a Garlein occupied Al ma Higo right? And its sure not like Nero killed that guy who said he came from Al ma Higo.

And its not like the entire nation of Doma was destroyed by trying to take back their nation and its not like the whole place was destroyed to make an example. Right?

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No, The entire nation was not destroyed only the cities towns and villages that were in rebellion. This was stated during the Ninja Job Quest.

Hate both the Empire and Ascians because they look more cool than Warrior of the Light.

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Originally Posted by Causality

Not so much with the Ascians. They exist to restore Zodiark and have already tried 7 times and failed. They don't so much want to kill the planet rather than restore it to its natural state before what can be assumed is the first astral Era. Hydaelyn the Crystal is trying to prevent that.

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Hydaelyn the planet and the crystal seem to share a lot of aspects, and what the Ascians are doing is very much killing the planet. The constant summoning of primals is destroying the Aether and is, by lore, killing the planet itself. Leaving it barren and lifeless. That's the real reason the scions care about primal summoning, even when the primals are relatively benign like Ramuh and Good King Moggle Mog. And why Ramuh unsummons himself after testing the WoL. His very existence is a drain on and danger to the planet.

Further, their stated method of bringing back Zodiark is causing war, strife, chaos, and pain. So, you know. There's really no way to look at the ascians and go 'oh yeah, those are good guys'.

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Garlemald's Goal is the same as both the Scion's and Hydaelyn's Goal. Stop the Primals from being brought forth to stop the damage being caused. Both are calling for Genocide. The Garleans with the Beast Tribes and any territory that becomes too rebellious. And Hydalyn with the Ascians as well as any creature from the void, well anyone that disagrees with her in general. Kill all the Dark things which makes Dark Knight rather interesting as you take on that Job while you are void of her blessing.

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Neither Hydaelyn nor any of the people who have spoken with/worked for her have called for genocide on the void or the Ascians. The Ascians and the void have always been the aggressors, but even then there's never a quest to, say, go to Outer La Noscea and kill every single grenade because they are of the void and must not be suffered to exist on Eorzea. Nor Ahrimans or any other voidborn. Lesser/unintelligent voidborn who simply roam around doing their thing are basically treated as any other dangerous animal or predator. Avoid it, leave it alone, kill it if it gets a taste for people. The more intelligent ones do shit like attempt to devour Eorzea and kill everyone/thing on it, so, you know, that's an issue regardless of who/what they are.

Even the quest line about figuring out how to kill Ascians was coached entirely in self-defense, and the method was only used on an Ascian who was murdering people in our home.

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

to me an evil person does something that they know is wrong, both the ascians and the empire believe what they are doing is the right thing to do.

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Well, I guess in your world there's no such thing as evil. That's nice to know.

Subjugation is fine.
Murder is fine.
Genocide is fine.
Destroying the world is fine.

As long as you don't think you're in the wrong, everything is fine.

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Originally Posted by reillyblair

to me an evil person does something that they know is wrong, both the ascians and the empire believe what they are doing is the right thing to do.

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Oh come on, Hitler also thought what he did was right and totally legitimate!
Do you want to argue now that he was a good person? :confused:

That's just not how good/evil works.
Nobody ever thinks what they are doing is wrong. Something is 'evil' because it ignores the horrible consequences for others, not because the one doing it thinks "Haha, I'm gonna do something evil now!"

(Yes, I know there is something called chaotic evil, basically evil just to be evil, but even if you look at these villains closely, you'll notice how they try to find legitimations for their doings, even if it is just something like "Hurting others is fun and I deserve to have fun.")

I like the Garleans, actually. :3

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

Empire and Ascians...they look more cool than Warrior of the Light.

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Exactly. They look awesome. I want all their armor. >_<