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05-31-2015, 08:04 AM
SDaemon

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Originally Posted by lololink

Goku/Djidane, sent to wreak havoc on earth, lost his memories, Vegeta/Kuja comes to destroy the earth and Goku/Djidane turns against his kin.

But except for that FFIX has the best story and chars imo, especially Kuja. Much better than the so called "Best FF" VII.

Actually both were created with the purpose of finally fusing Gaia and Terra together and restoring the Terran population, though neither of them care to do that in the end. Zidane lost his memories and upon finding out about his origins decides Garland and the people of Terra are wrong for trying to fuse the two worlds and Kuja doesn't want to follow the script Garland wrote for him, he has no intention of destroying Gaia, he is just using the people of Gaia to gain the strength needed to defeat Garland (i.e the Eidolons).

Zidane doesn't turn against the Genome, in fact he saves the Genome from Garland and the destroyed Terra and they end up living with the Black Mages in Black Mage Village.
05-31-2015, 08:34 AM
nuyu11

Just give them a choice, end of the story.
Maybe for those who want a skip get less reward or any other minor thing.

I love questing..
That's the reason I stick with this game..

But everyone have different style, I cant force them to follow the story and they cant force me to skip the story.
They also pay this game to make it running and for us to enjoy.

Be FAIR, don't selfish.
05-31-2015, 06:06 PM
Balipu

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Originally Posted by lololink

Goku/Djidane, sent to wreak havoc on earth, lost his memories, Vegeta/Kuja comes to destroy the earth and Goku/Djidane turns against his kin.

But except for that FFIX has the best story and chars imo, especially Kuja. Much better than the so called "Best FF" VII.

You forgot monkey tail for no apparent reason. The comparison is not my own by the way. An article I read said something along the line of: "If the story of your game is spoiled by re-runs of Dragon Ball Z you are doing something wrong."

To each their own. I really like the music plus Zorn and Thorn but otherwise it's one of my least favorite FF games.
05-31-2015, 06:10 PM
GenJoe

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Originally Posted by Balipu

You forgot monkey tail for no apparent reason. The comparison is not my own by the way. An article I read said something along the line of: "If the story of your game is spoiled by re-runs of Dragon Ball Z you are doing something wrong."

To each their own. I really like the music plus Zorn and Thorn but otherwise it's one of my least favorite FF games.

I hope you realize Dragon Ball's Son Goku was based on the Chinese novel Journey to the West... It's not an uncommon theme for stories in far east Asia.
I only say this to clear up any fanboy worshipping of Toriyama Akira before it gets out of hand, I like the guy but Dragon Ball was far from his magnum opus.. Dr. Slump, now that's something.
05-31-2015, 06:19 PM
kyuven

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Originally Posted by lololink

Goku/Djidane, sent to wreak havoc on earth, lost his memories, Vegeta/Kuja comes to destroy the earth and Goku/Djidane turns against his kin.

You kinda described Superman II as well...
And Guyver
And Kamen Rider
And Wall-E to an extent.
And Code Geass (just use the "foreigner" definition of "alien" in this case)
And The Iron Giant
And Stargate SG-1 (Teal'c)
And several arcs of Doctor Who

Let's just say it's not an uncommon trope.
05-31-2015, 06:44 PM
Nevaldus

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Originally Posted by Dicejss

Yes I would have, because 99% of the time people skip the cutscenes and could care less about the lore of a dungeon they just want to run it for the tomes or drops. The Main scenario is mediocre at best anyways its nothing compared tot he stories of FF7, FF9, or FF10.

Ugh...this story is better, this story is worse. Stop it. Everyone has their own opinions, for example, my opinion is the best stories are FF4,FF6,FF8,FF9,FF13 and FFXIV:ARR. The stories are what make the Instances good, you know the background, you know why you are there, just entering say...Dragons neck or WoD without the backstory would be...plain, blank, and dismally uninteresting, Stories and backgrounds are what make these things interesting. If i just wanted to play a game with hardley any story and just farm for better equipment, i'll just stick with Monster Hunter.
05-31-2015, 06:47 PM
Khalithar

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

And that's depressing. No point in catering the game to illiterate spazzes that cluster together in endgame so much. Also YMMV on story quality. That you consider FF9 a good one is hilarious to me, for example.

FF9 didn't have that bad of a story, the only issue I have with it was that Necron was completely unnecessary. The story would have been better off without him.
05-31-2015, 08:03 PM
Balipu

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

I hope you realize Dragon Ball's Son Goku was based on the Chinese novel Journey to the West... It's not an uncommon theme for stories in far east Asia.
I only say this to clear up any fanboy worshipping of Toriyama Akira before it gets out of hand, I like the guy but Dragon Ball was far from his magnum opus.. Dr. Slump, now that's something.

Ahh far from fanboy worship. I actually hate dragon ball and consider it among the worst anime in existence. This just makes it all worse for me. When I said that Goku's and Zidane's tail has no reason I meant that in the story they are the only people with a monkey tail so being a Genome/Saiyan is not an answer

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Originally Posted by kyuven

And Code Geass (just use the "foreigner" definition of "alien" in this case)

Prince sent to a province of an Empire to be as far from the court as possible with his memories intact, aquires some superpowers and decides to take revenge on the Empire and hunt down his mother's killers.
Sorry, not seing it.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

FF9 didn't have that bad of a story, the only issue I have with it was that Necron was completely unnecessary. The story would have been better off without him.

I try to avoid saying things like this was bad or that sucks. Opinions are opinions and mine is in no way better than anyone else's. I do think there are certain aspects of 9 that are objectively better than those of 7. 7 does a lot of things better than 6 but fails in some aspects compared to 8. But it is subjective how important these aspects are for different people. I also didn't like Necron. But I didn't like Kuja either. Zorn and Thorn however are the best. I kinda hope they get into XIV somehow. Does emperor Varis have jesters?
05-31-2015, 08:09 PM
Shuon

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Originally Posted by Dicejss

Yes I would have, because 99% of the time people skip the cutscenes and could care less about the lore of a dungeon they just want to run it for the tomes or drops.

Skipping the ff9-DBZ debate, I doubt it is true that most people skip the cutscenes.

I DO AGREE that ffxiv dialogues are unnecessarily convoluted, though.
05-31-2015, 08:21 PM
kyuven

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Prince sent to a province of an Empire to be as far from the court as possible with his memories intact, aquires some superpowers and decides to take revenge on the Empire and hunt down his mother's killers.
Sorry, not seing it.

You need to use broad strokes, like the comparison between IX and DBZ

Main Character is not from the Setting, but is a member of Bad Guys. Bad Guys come and try to take over/destroy Setting. Main Character rebels against Bad Guys, even though he is Bad Guys.
The reasons are superficial, just as the villain's motivations are superficial. Lelouch, Zidane, and Goku are very different characters, but the broad strokes of their conflict is the same. They do not like Bad Guys for Reasons. They want Bad Guys to no longer be around for Reasons. But they might feel bad about it because they are Bad Guys just like the Bad Guys are.

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