Yo who can't buy a house?

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Housing was meant to be a gil sink. A player selling their plot means that they have to buy another housing permit, which is another 500K to 3 million down the black hole.

Now, a player selling their entire FC with a house was probably an unforeseen circumstance.

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No, if they really wanted a steady gil sink, they'd charge for raids like they did in FFXI.

Dynamis used to cost a raid group a million gil to run each time. They lowered it to half a million after we complained for a few years.

Imagine a raid group having to shell out 100K for each attempt at T13...

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Originally Posted by Catwho

No, if they really wanted a steady gil sink, they'd charge for raids like they did in FFXI.

Dynamis used to cost a raid group a million gil to run each time. They lowered it to half a million after we complained for a few years.

Imagine a raid group having to shell out 100K for each attempt at T13...

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... did you just... are you arguing with yourself?

Don't know if you want to add servers with free plots for completeness.

We have loads, all sizes.

Though we are notoriously dead last for progression, guess it evens out :p

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Make houses sellable and float the price, suddenly all the survivors of dead FCs realize they'd like the money more than the house and there are houses available. They'd be a housing issue irl as well if you couldn't exchange property deeds.

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Yes, there are lots of ideas to make housing ownership a continued burden such as a weekly or monthly fee to keep the house, or automatic relinquishment after a period of inactivity..
Funny thing is, the people who oppose these ideas are also the ones crying foul over the profiteers. Most people that are in support of them likely already have houses if not by the traditional means, by having bought from somebody else..

It's good to have faith in SE that they'll make everything right and all but come on, let's be realistic.. SE has already stated and shown us by example that they simply cannot handle the housing overload. They probably never will have enough plots for people to buy them at the fully depreciated prices.. If you've been around on the server from earlier, you've seen people snatch up mansions for 20 million, smalls for under 1 million.. I get it, you remember just a few months ago, X bought his house for 10m gil, and now I want to buy the same sized house, I have to pay 5 times what he paid, but that's just it, market is not the same anymore, it probably never will be. You can wait for the prices to drop down to what it once was (probably never) or be prepared to pay the premium.

At least if SE implemented the system to trade houses, we would all know what a "fair" real market value of houses are and half the people complaining would instead have a solid goal to work towards.

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings. How's it going?

YOU PEOPLE. It's always you people.

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Originally Posted by o3o

you have no idea the amount of gil floating around in legacy servers...... some who have come from 1.0 have around 300+ mil...

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Just wanna correct, legacies did have denomination. So there would be no one will carry hundreds of million gils into 2.0. That 300+ mil gil you mentioned will become 30 mil instead. Those ppl might have already recovered their wealth during the course of 2.0 though.

Oh BTW, just want to let you guys know that the latest additional patch in FF11 has granted each of players Mog House with 2nd floor. And add that with previously introduced private island from Adoulin expansion. lol

There's no reason at all for this, I'm just saying. lol

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

... did you just... are you arguing with yourself?

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LOL I have never seen that...on any forum..ever. WELP...first time for everything!

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings. How's it going?

YOU PEOPLE. It's always you people.

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I'm sorry I have a fundamental understanding of economics. I should just cry that the fundamental laws behind the prices should follow OF posters' notions of egalitarianism then scratch my head wondering why things are the way they are?

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I'm sorry I have a fundamental understanding of economics. I should just cry that the fundamental laws behind the prices should follow OF posters' notions of egalitarianism then scratch my head wondering why things are the way they are?

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That's what some of the naysayers do. They want housing cheap, at the fully depreciated price that the original buyers paid, paid directly to SE and not to a profiteer, AND want plenty of it to go around without any shortage. Then they cry foul when somebody says you can't have it your way, but here are some other wasy which may help you obtain a house. No alternatives, no compromises.

Btw Verdan, I don't have a personal house anymore, I gave it to a friend who could make better use of it.
Even being homeless, knowing that I can buy another house I want down the road if I play my cards right, i.e. socialize with people, negotiate deals with people who might be willing to give up their house (Make deals? In an MMO?? Yes, that's what I do ;) ), Feels pretty good knowing that I have the option to have another house should I want one so badly because I can keep an open mind about different ways of approaching the problem..

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

There's no reason at all for this, I'm just saying. lol

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And that's a perfectly legitimate point.. SE done goofed with their non-instanced, always up 24/7 housing wards.. Let's see, 8 wards, 2 subdivisions, 3 cities. That's already 72 extra zones that SE could've done without if they implemented instanced housing.. But they didn't, to match the demand, we probably need at least triple the number of wards, so that would be 200+ zones.. That's almost the size of an entire World in a typical MMO.

I don't think we're going to see an overhaul to the housing system any time soon though, likely never.. So the only "solution" is likely to be more wards added slowly as SE upgrades their servers to accommodate the load.. Let's face the facts, at the rate we're going, it'll probably never be enough to accommodate everybody so we need automatic relinquishing, we need the ability to trade houses, we need upkeep enforced to force people to think twice about buying a house on a whim, those are probably the only way to make the house more accessible than they currently are.. But no, every time somebody suggests that, oh no all of a sudden we've hit a nerve..

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings

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Btw, I'm not blaming anybody, I'm just being realistic and suggesting realistic solutions to get a house other than just sucking your thumb hoping SE will somehow magically fix all of this.. Get it through your head.. SE will NEVER fix this issue.. They're in way too deep to overhaul, and they've already stated they won't be adding new wards for a while after launch.
You're being way too optimistic.. If you want to own a house, especially on Balmung, you're going to have to buy from another player, simple as that.. OR SE may implement an auto relinquishment which will free up quite a few plots, but no you're against that too.. Basically, you want to get your house in the most unadulterated way possible, directly from SE at the price that they set.. Not gonna happen.. Not because of me, not because of player feedback, just because servers can't handle the load..

SE has already given you a pretty defeatist answer regarding this aspect.. What makes you think whining about it will fix it? This is not a matter of design principle, it's a simple matter of feasibility that comes as a result of bad design.. Can SE fix the design? I don't think they're willing to.

I'm not gonna stop trying to compile a list of servers where plots are all full out of some sort of strange sadness that makes me think that basic functionality in a game system is impossible, so I'd appreciate it if The Housing Thread Spiral was kept out of here. If all plots are gone somewhere you know of, add it. Don't come talkin' smack about how people are just too cheap to buy houses.

And brother if you think this is whining... oh boy. Do you have any idea how mad people would be in another game if this was happening?