Pure RNG is the worst thing ever.

tbh I prefer rng more than how light farming works. I loved the atma part, and I loved the dungeon drop part. The light, alexandrite, books and zeta werent fun for me.
Maybe because everything else in this game is like "do one ex roulette a day to get almost best items in game" and I don't really like that. I prefer drops from dungeons, or maybe gathering rare materiels for crafted items a lot more. Just because I want to do a dungeon hoping my item will drop, but right now it's "complete dungeon, get free best items".

I actually made an alt where I'm doing all the ilvl 55 dungeons over and over to get enough gear to be able to do ilvl 70 dungeons. And I will do the same until the latest dungeons. Unfortunately that's where it stops for me unless I do some 2nd coil raids which will get me some ilvl 110 gear. The raids can't usually be done in duty finder though so that is gonna suck

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

Or people DARE to roll on an item when they just enterd CT3 during finalboss fight? Those people should get a lockout on rolls as well!

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Who are you to say what people can or cannot roll on? If someone joins in progress they're filling a need the party had. If people got locked out from loot/drops from joining in progress, nobody would ever join WoD in progress. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Who are you to say what people can or cannot roll on? If someone joins in progress they're filling a need the party had. If people got locked out from loot/drops from joining in progress, nobody would ever join WoD in progress. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Set-Abominae

Or, you know, you could post this crap in the 50 other threads with identical "solutions" to a problem that doesn't need solving. The only ones crying about rng are the ones who refuse to raid for their weapons and grind 8 relics, that's a choice you made, you knew what you were in for as did i which is why non of my relics are higher than +1. Relics are a casual time sink something to keep people who dont raid continuing their sub, if relics had zero rng they wouldn't be doing that job anymore. If you think the relic here is bad go sub ffxi and repost again in 8 months when you get the first stage of the relic complete.

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I cry about RNG all the time, and I've been an endgame raider since 2.3. In all my time and clears in FCoB, I have 2 pieces of loot. 1 of which I don't even use on any of my gear sets I use.

Yukiko, the entire basis of your argument is the same person will somehow perpetually land in the same place in an algorithm or their 'dot' will continually land in the same place becoming 'trapped' in some rng nightmare pattern. That is a faulty assumption. The odds of you landing in the same place wen their are 100s of thousands of players completing content at unpredictable intervals makes where your 'dot' lands a random factor in and of itself. Thus over time still resulting in random results. That basic assumption is where you are running off the rails.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Use of the bolded word is wrong. You don't need any specific drop from content to complete content. The minimum necessary gear to complete content can be purchased or crafted elsewhere. BiS is a goal not a requirement.

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I'm a competitive person, and strive to be the best I can be. I can see these limits based on what others do. When I push as hard as I can with my inferior gear, and it's simply impossible to be close to them (ie: 370 dps in T10 as Warrior vs 400-450), yea I'm gonna be upset that I am not getting the gear they've gotten doing the same thing each week. I'm cool with some RNG of course, but not this much.

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Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver

I cry about RNG all the time, and I've been an endgame raider since 2.3. In all my time and clears in FCoB, I have 2 pieces of loot. 1 of which I don't even use on any of my gear sets I use.

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RNG has treated you nice. My static is working on T12 and to date I got exactly 0 drop and 0 need rolls either, it was always for some other class or some other members secondary.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

RNG has treated you nice. My static is working on T12 and to date I got exactly 0 drop and 0 need rolls either, it was always for some other class or some other members secondary.

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I've seen nothing but melee in coil, can gear up a drg and our nin is almost fully geared from coil. Everyone else has gotten 6+ items from coil. While me and the poor blm have 2 items from coil.

If machinist has separate gear the loot tables will be terrible

I'm working on my second Zenith now. Started doing FATEs on Sunday to get Atmas. Still haven't gotten one. Three days and zero so far.

That and it took me 267 Boarskin maps to get the Tonberry minion. So yes, RNG sucks.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Sorry, but just like a computer/program/software/alogrithm can not "tell or deem who is worthy", the RNG is not a substitute for fairness.

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The way I view it. The way the relic and other RNG elements in this game work to eliminate "Discrimination". No one stop you from solo Q'ing into any Zodiac Df. No one can stop you from getting the zodaic items. No one can stop you from light farming. The RNG in the relic quest is the great Equaizer, no one can stop other then yourself. This beats Raid groups,PF group FCs and many other things in this game. Most player controlled things in this game practice some form of Discrimination. The RNG in the Relic can't discrimate, so Its true fairness. In other words its Consistent. I dont know of any other way you could make this quest work. Other then a skill base quest...which would lead players to discriminate each other.