What are the differences between the Echo and having Hydaelyn's Blessing? [Spoilers?]

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Originally Posted by myahele

That's certainly possible. When we got the 1st Crystal of light Hydaelyn pretty much said: "Go forth and collect the remaining crystals. Destroy darkness" and in that scene we see others, as well.

With that said, Krile's Crystal may have been used up in order to save her from Nabriale's version of Ardor. Minfilia was also stated by Elidibus in 2.1 to have survived a previous attempt at an Ardor.

Still, I wold think she would have mentioned having had a crystal when she was presented with an Ancient Crystal of Light

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Out of curiosity, is there any particular reason why you're assuming that Nabriales had anything to do with what happened to Krile? Some hint I didn't catch perhaps? As for Minfilia, I'm pretty sure that what she survived was the Calamity.

The Calamity could not have been the Ardor that Elidibus said she survived else nobody in Carteneau would still be alive and that was mostly Louisoix's work.

The thing with Minfilia is that even as a child she seemed to have played a small role due to her echo,but we don't know too much of her history prior to escaping from Ala Mhigo at a young age. Yet even then the Ascians still plotting. I believe there Bozja Citadel in Ala Mhigo met with the same fate, but in their case they were experimenting with ancient magics like meteor.

I should probably backtrack about Nabriales causing the Isle of Val incident, but the whole thing seems like an ascien plot to me. It certainly benefits them that Students of Baldesion disappear.

My original reasoning was that by the end of 2.0 we see there are more ascien. By 2.1 we learn of Val's lost communication and at the same time Nabriales telling Elidibus he doesn't like WoL/scions meddling and then 2.2 and up he's the main Ascien we deal with. But yeah, he has not come up and said he was responsible the disappearance of Isle of Val

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Originally Posted by myahele

The Calamity could not have been the Ardor that Elidibus said she survived else nobody in Carteneau would still be alive and that was mostly Louisoix's work.

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Just how long do you think Minfilia's been alive though? She should be about 27 and Thancred about 32 if you go by the only indication we ever got about their ages, in the Tales from the Calamity. What other Ardor could there have been during both of their lifetimes than Carteneau? Also, nothing in what Elidibus said implies that he means that she's the sole survivor.

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The thing with Minfilia is that even as a child she seemed to have played a small role due to her echo,but we don't know too much of her history prior to escaping from Ala Mhigo at a young age. Yet even then the Ascians still plotting. I believe there Bozja Citadel in Ala Mhigo met with the same fate, but in their case they were experimenting with ancient magics like meteor.

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Given the revelation that Minfilia gained her Echo during the timeline shown in her Tales from the Calamity, at 17 years old, I would say this is a false assumption. Was she always fated to be one of Hydaelyn's Blessed? Probably. But then again, maybe that just depended on how she used the Echo. Also, if there are no inconsistencies, which I'm not denying is a possibility, Minfilia could have gained the Blessing after her Echo, ie sometime after Carteneau.

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I should probably backtrack about Nabriales causing the Isle of Val incident, but the whole thing seems like an ascien plot to me. It certainly benefits them that Students of Baldesion disappear.

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Well, I was just asking because it's very possible that I missed something that he might have said with regards to that. Either way, I'm inclined to think that had he had anything to do with it, he would have been unable to keep from bragging about it, especially if he thought we were gonna die anyway.

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My original reasoning was that by the end of 2.0 we see there are more ascien. By 2.1 we learn of Val's lost communication and at the same time Nabriales telling Elidibus he doesn't like WoL/scions meddling and then 2.2 and up he's the main Ascien we deal with. But yeah, he has not come up and said he was responsible the disappearance of Isle of Val

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It could be one of the other named Ascians, for instance maybe Pashtarot. That would give some extra significance to giving them names early on as well as show that some Ascians not named Elidibus are capable of actually discreet subterfuge.