Quelling Strikes

QS is good for any caster jobs. I use it on my Smn,Blm and Bard (of course) Its a helpful tool that should be used from time to time. Also, if you are overgeared and have a Full understanding of your job, get SQ. The damage diffearnce from an tank's say item level 90 compared to a Smn's item lv say 115 is great. You need QS if you plan doing any meaningful DPS'ing in some cases. ps: Using QS is not gimping yourself.

I'll admit... I often pull aggro off the tank at the beginning of a fight, even if I start with thunder 2. From there it becomes a downward spiral. I know I need to get quelling, but like a lot of people here have said, most blms(including myself) just don't wanna play bard to get quelling. I apologize though; I am fully aware it is my fault. I'll sometimes give the tank a good 5-10 seconds before I start casting just so he can maintain aggro. Maybe one day I'll go suck it up and grab it >.>

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

You only need QS for RS. I dunno what you're really saying here. If the tank is losing aggro to non-RS anything then there's nothing you can do, that's just the tank being bad.

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It's just a general statement because the general notion here seems to point towards BLM using QS, RS used or not.

Which is why I said, if the tank is as bad as the one mentioned below, no shit can be done about it (wait 5-10s for tank to hold aggro first, wtf I might as well play melee DPS instead of BLM).

And yes I do happen to play with tanks in DF that I'd just tell them (Flash)(Yes, Please)(If you would be so kind)

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Originally Posted by Ryock

I'll admit... I often pull aggro off the tank at the beginning of a fight, even if I start with thunder 2. From there it becomes a downward spiral. I know I need to get quelling, but like a lot of people here have said, most blms(including myself) just don't wanna play bard to get quelling. I apologize though; I am fully aware it is my fault. I'll sometimes give the tank a good 5-10 seconds before I start casting just so he can maintain aggro. Maybe one day I'll go suck it up and grab it >.>

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I main BLM, and I'm trying to get into the habit of using Quelling as soon as it's off cooldown, unless I know I need to save it for some adds about to pop. It's instant-cast and off-GCD, so it's not like there's a DPS hit. There's no good reason not to use it whenever possible.

Having been in both situations I have become heartless.

As a tank no DPS let up for me so I had to learn to deal with it. There wasn't an excuse, on PLD and WAR.

As a BLM or any other dps. I maximize my dps as much as possible. If the tank can't keep up then there is a problem and more often than not it has to do with rotation. Now low levels <30 I can empathize with Warriors and <26 with Paladins but no Shield Oath, you're just being lazy if you can't hold threat. I still have never used quelling strikes on any dps class.

As a Healer I have let tanks die, dps die and died myself due to either DPS being jerks, Tanks not doing their job, and me getting cocky.

Healers need tanks, tanks need healers, and dps need tanks and healers to be at their best.

The only actions you can control are your own. So why worry what buff another class is doing when your priority should be maximizing your ability to do your job.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

The only actions you can control are your own. So why worry what buff another class is doing when your priority should be maximizing your ability to do your job.

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part of "doing your job" is managing hate even as dps and healer,

tanks can be amazing at there job but on big pulls its easy for one to slip by and then get pulled from them, and when dodging so many incoming attacks it can be unseen for a afew moments where as if a dps who had the ability to reduce there threat generation could have and then not died is not necessarily on the tank. yes as tanks we strive to take all enemies and keep them till there dead but on occasion things don't work how we intended.

as dps or blm in this case we should if possible use qs and rs in these situations to help make the run smoother. is it always needed.? no.. but when we can help we should its what makes us "good at our job"

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Originally Posted by Trixxy

BLM and tank main here, I've never considered using quelling strikes nor do I ever lose hate to any BLM's unless I screw up with my pull, suppose people who complain about this need to get gud.

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If you've never once pulled hate off a tank as a BLM, maybe your DPS needs to improve.

If you've never lost hate to a BLM as a tank, maybe it's because they are using QS. :3

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Originally Posted by chidarake

most tanks cant hold against double, triple flare. even more so when buffed with raging strikes, so yeah it that scenario quelling helps but I still tend to get eaten a lot. especially in st on trash.

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Yep, that's exactly when I tend to lose it. I can spam Flash till the cows come home but a double or triple flare with RS up is a massive amount of damage to everything all at once. Honestly, If the BLM isn't using QS for unloading into a huge pull that way, they deserve to get their face eaten. Hell, I've gotten my face eaten more than once and my BLM is only i110; now I always use QS with my RS. Presto! No more getting my face eaten due to double/triple flare!

I have to say, there's not much that's more fun than casting a triple flare into those huge trash pulls in ST. xD

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

your priority should be maximizing your ability to do your job.

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I completely agree. Dead dps is zero dps. A good dps can maximize their damage and still watch hate.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

part of "doing your job" is managing hate even as dps and healer,

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Healers don't get a choice in managing hate. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but in all reality if a healer doesn't heal someone dies.

As a dps you can play the "they need qs" but in all reality the tank needs to prioritize the abilities they use. Flash spam as a Paladin isn't going to cut it. No matter how you slice it, it will never work. As a paladin you need to know that and adjust accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I completely agree. Dead dps is zero dps. A good dps can maximize their damage and still watch hate.

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On group pulls like everyone is referring to. The tank and healer have a specific number of cooldowns. If the dps isn't burning them down fast enough then all the threat management doesn't matter. Because eventually the party will wipe.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

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I understand as healer you have to heal but choosing the right spell to do that with is part of healer agro control. hitting medica 2 as tank pulls trash is not a good idea and so you wouldn't do that right.!? <agro control in other words.

as dps switching to another target to give the tank a moment to stay ahead is also something every dps class can do. so it doesn't have to be quelling strikes. that being said knowing you can tank this enemy as dps and kill it before its an issue is also a good thing and can help he tank

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Originally Posted by chidarake

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In regards to your healer comment, that is just silly and any healer with common sense would know better. If I were the tank, I would let the healer die. I don't care if it results in a wipe.

Also as a dps you don't want to go schizo on a random group that the tank hasn't pulled, doesn't make sense either. Which is also why as a healer or tank I would let that dps die.

People do things that don't follow common sense and which makes your specific examples as listed above irrelevant to the current conversation and a moot point.