Eternal Bond - Standard Plan and Gold Plan

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Originally Posted by Marisela

This stuff should already be freely available in the game since it a P2P game, not a F2P game.

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This right here is the truth of the matter. We shell out money to buy the game itself, then 15$ a month to keep playing it. Over a year that can add up to hundreds of dollars. We expect everything to be added into the game, free of charge, with no extra expenditure except for things like server transfers, fantasias, and the like. This is not an unreasonable expectation, since we are paying what amounts to hundreds of dollars per year for this game.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Adding loot to raids defeats the purpose of people truly enjoying raiding together. If I could get loot by raiding, so be it. People would ask. "Aw do you like raiding?"
99% of the responses would be, "Naw, just wanted the loot lol."

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Glamour and gear that progresses you through the game are two different things.

If they ONLY implemented the free version with NO rewards but the marriage itself, people would still complain, but the right people would Eternally Bond. This is what I'm trying to say. If there were rewards, people would be falsely bonding for free stuff, and I personally find that in the wrong for what the system is supposed to mean to the players. Yoshi P and the developers are trying to create a game that not only plays well, but FEELS right in everything you do. As a player who wouldn't have Eternally Bonded if there were no rewards, I'm glad that there's a pay-for-benefits option, because I WON'T be paying for a marriage, so now when I see the mount, it would MEAN something.

You all should be glad that SE took measures to make Eternal Bonding mean something rather than give it to everyone for free content.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

There's no reason why they can't have the ability to purchase the deluxe option through both the cash shop AND gil - it would just mean the gil version would be an extreme amount (like 15-20mil). This way players who want that special bond can still get it without having to pony up more cash for a game they've already paid for and subscribe to each month; it just means they'll have to work hard for the gil first.

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This is what I mean, making the content gated so it means something makes sense. The abuse of the Cash Shop is an entirely different story. I never came into this thread stating I loved the Cash Shop. I just find the gating a good measure to make sure the people who want it to mean something get what they want in return.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

Other people's bonds do not affect mine, nor do they affect yours. It's not up to you to decide what the right reason for the bond system is.

But let's say you're right and only meaningful bonds should have the mount. There's no reason why they can't have the ability to purchase the deluxe option through both the cash shop AND gil - it would just mean the gil version would be an extreme amount (like 15-20mil). This way players who want that special bond can still get it without having to pony up more cash for a game they've already paid for and subscribe to each month; it just means they'll have to work hard for the gil first.

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SE's logic is you need to work harder in real life to get the most out of this game. LOL...

Dunno about you guys, but I am kinda starting to dread gold saucer now....

If the mounts and extras stuff costs real money, then they better be account wide rewards like everything else you can buy.

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

As a player who wouldn't have Eternally Bonded if there were no rewards, I'm glad that there's a pay-for-benefits option, because I WON'T be paying for a marriage, so now when I see the mount, it would MEAN something.

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Eternal Bonding is already "meaningless" since it's free (that's up to debate). The only thing the mount means is "I paid money for virtual items", not that your EB meant anything. It should mean something to YOU, but paying money so that you can arbitrary separate yourself from "the masses" is ridiculous.

You don't think players will pay for a Gold EB to get the mount? People activated a second account for 3 months to get the Recruit a Friend mount as well!

This is the most pointless reason to advocate for a paywall (there is no reason for a P2P game tbh).

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

The last line in the sand was the revelation that you are not entitled to all content by virtue of your game purchase and monthly subscription alone. This is the line in the sand where you now now for sure that you cannot be excited for anything you see in a preview that is not related to game balance or progression until the true cost is revealed directly prior to its release. Where's the next line?

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At this point i'm starting to wonder mow much of the stuff anounced and left to anounce for the expansion will be hidden behind the cash shop.

And dont get me started on gold saucer, I'll do the Ice Bucket challenge with sulphuric acid if the Card game doesnt have some sort of cash shop option.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I'm still glad "No Pay to Win" is a rule, but revealing a week beforehand that your previews have been behind a paywall the entire time is a dick move.

They've been showing off Eternal Bond items for a long time now. They've been saying that it won't cost gil for a little while now. They had plenty of time to say, "Eternal Bond itself will be free, but we'll be offering lots of bonuses as 'Optional Services' if you want to go all out and be extra extravagant." They had time to bite the bullet and frame it in a favorable way at the cost of revealing that they would be utilizing the cash shop, and they didn't. They waited until right before the patch drops and said, "Oh, by the way, most of the stuff we've been showing you is cash only."

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Personal housing story all over again, whether you consider the FC-copy-paste aspect or the prices or the availability. And yes, that makes it even more infuriating than the fact of cash-shop-only side itself, leaving us feel disappointed/fooled again. And I'm saying that even without having to do anything with Eternal Bond, since it won't be relevant for me.

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Originally Posted by Yahavage

Dunno about you guys, but I am kinda starting to dread gold saucer now....

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I've been dreading it since the abovementioned fiasco, tbh... \:

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Personal housing story all over again, whether you consider the FC-copy-paste aspect or the prices or the availability. And yes, that makes it even more infuriating than the fact of cash-shop-only side itself, leaving us feel disappointed/fooled again. And I'm saying that even without having to do anything with Eternal Bond, since it won't be relevant for me.

I've been dreading it since the abovementioned fiasco, tbh... \:

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I generally consider myself a glass half full kinda person ^^v but yeah, housing was.... ugh, and now this? Not even my ultra-positive demeanour can stand this kind of treatment! If they keep up the premium services in the cash-shop shenanigans I can't see me playing much past Heavensward. We shall see.

I think it is disgusting and shows the contempt with which Yoshi-P has for the players. Every much desired system so far has been nothing but a giant punch in the face for the players. FC Housing? 640m gil, oh and then plots running out so only the minority of FC's could actually purchase a property when the prices became more reasonable. Player housing? FC housing rather than the promised system, oh, and same price as FC housing, another punch in the face. Now the eternal bond, gated by real money. Next up, DRK, unlockable for only £59.99 from the cash shop.

And yeah, our monthly subs has been paying for SE to develop the stuff, which we now have to pay for again if we want full access..... I think the term theft might apply here.