Average DPS expected from various jobs in T11

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Originally Posted by sackm

SMN - 428 for me this week. i115 + nexus

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At i111 with the Diamond Grimore, I was nowhere near that. I see not many groups in this thread are running SMN for raid, but for those who do, any pointers? I had to swap from a 116 WHM that's been my main for over nine months to SMN because of raid derpery, so try not to be TOO harsh on me, but I only did 340 on this week's clear, with me dying at like 1% (tether partner ran over the other group and got two stacks right before Nerve Cloud QQ).

I ended the fight with a sizeable portion of mana (over 2k?), so I'm thinking I might have hedged on my Shadow Flares too much trying to save MP. Even then, no way in heck is that a ~90 DPS difference. We cleared with a little under 45 seconds to enrage, so my group assures me that I've got time to get better, but I don't like feeling carried.

So, any suggestions? Thanks in advance.


Edit with some additional points:

-we don't usually run a BRD for raid, though we did this week because our MT was missing and people swapped around (so usually no Foe's, no Ballad)
-our BLM MT'd this week and he is normally on the non-magic-resisting add so my numbers are actually usually worse lmao
-I didn't have to Egi-swap because I was on the cube, and yes Garuda was in range of boss during final phase, so that shouldn't be the reason why my numbers were bad

Parsing Summoners is odd anyways, because it is just an estimation model, but no real data about dots is parseable. So in a specific try the parse and the reality can widely differ (in dependence on how much crits you got). If your group doesn't understand this problem, well...
Our 2 SMN parse 375 +- 15; I'm ok with that, we kill the boss, that is what counts.

As a smn, I do around 380-400 dps with i115 weapon and I was ilvl 111-113. This week I got 411 dps with i120 weapon. I'm mostly targeting the sphere though cause blm is on cube... :(

Hopefully, next week I can get higher with the i130 weapon I got.

Mnk - 486 for me this week for T11, i113 + glove,leg,boot pentameld + i120 weapon

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Originally Posted by Umbrax

Hi, maybe this is not the right place to ask this but seeing the deeps of those BLMs I feel obliged to do so. Our BLM is doing poor dps in t10, he's not even doing over 400. I know his deeps is enough for the first turns and we can carry him but I don't think that can happen in t13. He would love to improve but he don't really know how to do it. I'd love to hear tips from you guys, any kind of advice is welcome.

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I see tons of posts in this thread that give a misconception on what each class' dps should be. First off, without knowing any facts, even being a little under 400 dps in t10 is ok but these numbers also depend on a lot of factors. Which app are you using to measure (some tend to give inflated numbers from what I've seen)? Are your settings set for a raid encounter (i.e. won't split it up)? Do you have Foes (how many times, BV etc?)? Pots, food, gear?

i123 here. i started hitting over 400 at around i118. pretty far off from the 450+ that ppl online seem to be easily hitting at i110 with an i115 weapon but what can you do.

last run was 415ish.

other than making sure dots never fall off and SF is up as much as possible, dont forget to auto attack as much as possible. doing 65-110 dmg per hit adds up.

im pretty sure your dots, once cast, will stop doing dmg if you get out of melee range during the last phase so spread around the boss and not away from the boss during bombs.

when taking down the cube, cast dots on the egg and follow it around so they do dmg to it. i used to cast dots on the sphere as well just for extra dmg but i find it too mana intensive. by the time the cube and sphere are down, the egg can be brought down to 90-95% by dots alone.

340 is a tad low. for our first few clears as an i110smn with i115 weapon i was getting like 380, which isnt great.

Having no Foes will have a huge impact on your dps so, theres that for starters. Ill take a look at my parse and get back to you on (IDK if i swapped to ifrit that time) some details of how I prioritize buffs/pots etc.
Also, the +32 DET I get from nexus is pretty significant. Wouldn't be surprised if i can push 450 this week once i get Apocalypse

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Originally Posted by Lamia-Blackheart

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I don't think I can hug the egg during add phase, as our BLM already stands outside of the group to DPS the cube (I'm on sphere most runs, which actually makes my numbers worse lol >__>). We don't run a BRD, so having as many people as possible to soak Cannons helps our WHM not go OOM on the add phase by having to spam too many AOE heals. Also, as the poster above said, no BRD = no Foe's, so I know I'll never hit the numbers posted in this thread, but I need to do better in general. I WAS spreading to the back for Seed (two melee and a BLM usually means I'm the one disconnecting from the boss, along with our SCH), so if it's true that dots don't tick if you're out of range that might explain some of it. I'll try a different spread method this upcoming week to see if that helps.

At some point I'm gonna sit down on a dummy too and see how I do. I'll post the numbers back in this thread when I get around to it. I don't want to feel obligated to quit SMN just because I'm not very good at it... I really enjoy playing it. So hopefully with time and practice I'll improve.

also, i dont know how new you are to smn, but you can review the advanced summoner guide on youtube.

your group composition is definitely not doing you any favours in t11 but as long as you're getting the clear, its all good. having a black mage is great in t10, 12 and 13

So, I did two types of parse yesterday to try to see where I'm flagging. I did a full burst parse until I was OOM (about 4:45), and a 10-minute parse to simulate how I'd fare in an actual encounter. Both parses were with food, pots, and two bouts of Foe Requiem (first one always BV'd):


-1st parse, full burst for 4 min, 45 sec: 460 DPS
-2nd parse, 10-minute stress test: 405 DPS.

This is as a 113 SMN with the 115 book.

Any thoughts? (Sorry for thread highjack, BTW! ;__; )