[dev1033] Class name changes -> Specialization/Talent Trees Into Classic FF Classes

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

I'm sorry if this comes off as mean but did you read the entire post? I'm going to go through each line of your post and give a reply to it.



We are in agreement that the current classes are weak. Thats why I proposed specs to lead classes down a path that will make them stronger and excel at certain tasks.



Again you did not read my post. The base classes will no have Artifact Armor. That is reserved for Advanced Classes / Specs; so yes you will be able to wear PLD only armor as PLD spec.



I clearly gave a valid example of how they could do that.

It's ok to disagree but please read and understand before you take a stance. What you just did is detrimental to the process.

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this just has win written all over it

I do have a question. Would/should the talent trees be limited to specializing in only one base class or could you specialize in each base class?
Example: Spec GLD >>> PLD and also have THA >>> RDM
Though obviously the skills/traits for those advanced forms would only be utilized for that specific spec.

I did read your post, but maybe didn't clearly understand what you're trying to put out there. what I want, personally, is to do away with the current jobs. if they're not going to get rid of the current jobs, I don't want to be stuck with the current jobs and "specialize" in something else while still having to retain the fact I am one of the base jobs. I don't know, I guess I'm not really saying what I want to say very well. But, personally I believe in yoshi-p's first idea.

Yes. You will not be locked from playing a spec or another base class entirely. Assuming you have you classes leveled:

Today you're playing DRK on Gladiator, maybe later you want to switch to PLD, wait you changed your mind and want to play Lancer and work on DRG.

You can do these things. That is a staple of the franchise and my favorite thing about FFXI. I do not like games that force players into making new characters to play a different class.

Kuroki... Only thing I can do is steal your "emote" often used on BG....

/GOLFCLAP!!!

Amazing job here! Great ideas, well thought out, and explained very well! Let's hope the Dev Team gives this the attention it deserves.

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

I did read your post, but maybe didn't clearly understand what you're trying to put out there. what I want, personally, is to do away with the current jobs. if they're not going to get rid of the current jobs, I don't want to be stuck with the current jobs and "specialize" in something else while still having to retain the fact I am one of the base jobs. I don't know, I guess I'm not really saying what I want to say very well. But, personally I believe in yoshi-p's first idea.

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I understand what you're trying to say. You want to clearly just rename Gladiator into something else and do away with them. This change by itself will not fix those classes.

I don't think the current classes should be removed since there's already some lame lore attached to them, but I do think that they should only serve as BASE classes. No max level gladiators, only advanced classes.

My question is why not Gladiator 50 if you want (If the names stay)? Why should the base job only go to a certain Rank? In XI a lot of people enjoyed being a whm/sub-job. The way you are explaining it this would not be possible and you would not be able to use any of the other jobs abilities at all. While I agree that if you are a R5 Power Ranger you should not be able to use a R50 job ability but you should be able to use the R5 ability of any of the jobs you have actually ranked up. This is why I say instead of scrapping the current system, fix the stats and work with what you have, this will work for your idea as well Kuroki.

Incredible!
I had imagined
something like in the beginning, for example.
classes as the battle of magic and war
with class names such as old but, alchemist
botanic, blacksmith and the other as second and may choose such
another as the third.
but to my way of thinking that having your idea?! it would be nice
great idea .. hopefully take place ^ ^

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Originally Posted by Marious

My question is why not Gladiator 50 if you want (If the names stay)? Why should the base job only go to a certain Rank? In XI a lot of people enjoyed being a whm/sub-job. The way you are explaining it this would not be possible and you would not be able to use any of the other jobs abilities at all. While I agree that if you are a R5 Power Ranger you should not be able to use a R50 job ability but you should be able to use the R5 ability of any of the jobs you have actually ranked up. This is why I say instead of scrapping the current system, fix the stats and work with what you have, this will work for your idea as well Kuroki.

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Well like someone else said, FFXI advanced jobs weren't really "advanced" just unlockable extra jobs. I just don't continuing on with the base class would tie in with OP's idea. If they just introduced unlockable jobs on the other hand then who knows? I personally don't think they put much thought into the current classes at all, ESPECIALLY DoM.