nerfed mages and screwed enmity o_o

ok has anyone tried to Provoke After the heal??? i bet thats your solution

tank goes in makes initial hate..hes HP goes down, mages cures tank provokes again
rinse and repeat

save provokes for after the heal
its call party play ppl get Teamspeak or vent and coordinate

or do you old school "<call10> ^-^ Casting Cure2 on <t> b(^.^)d ~~Pew pEw ~" macro

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Reika et al,


A lot of people are also missing a crucial half of the picture on enmity. A healer should not be able to cure bomb and stay green/yellow. That would be very dull design.

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I think the main problem we're seeing is that one single heal, even a level 1 Cure/Sacrifice, generates far more hate than several abilities meant to focus enmity on the user. That's not cure bombing.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

I think the main problem we're seeing is that one single heal, even a level 1 Cure/Sacrifice, generates far more hate than several abilities meant to focus enmity on the user. That's not cure bombing.

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yes, true, but that what i think Raikki is trying to say, instead of relying on cure, why not trying to reduce the damage the tanker got instead? with a Conj and Thm equipping both Stoneskin should "cure" this problem.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

yes, true, but that what i think Raikki is trying to say, instead of relying on cure, why not trying to reduce the damage the tanker got instead? with a Conj and Thm equipping both Stoneskin should "cure" this problem.

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Remember though, Stoneskin won't last long with a high damage attack! You'll get one hit, or it will completely break through and cancel little to no damage.

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I think the main problem we're seeing is that one single heal, even a level 1 Cure/Sacrifice, generates far more hate than several abilities meant to focus enmity on the user. That's not cure bombing.

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Once you've built enough hate, that stops being an issue. That's why it's important to use as much damage mitigation as possible, especially to avoid having to cast cures at the very beginning before hate is firmly established. The beginning of fights is definitely the hardest part as far as hate goes, so expect to struggle with it until you start getting a better handle on how to play to the new system. If you do it right, you can end up with a very large lead in hate on long fights.

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Remember though, Stoneskin won't last long with a high damage attack! You'll get one hit, or it will completely break through and cancel little to no damage.

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Still beats taking the damage straight up and costing the mages extra MP + enmity.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Damage mitigation is central to holding hate. You need to be using Stoneskin as much as possible. Start off with Sentinel, Featherfoot, Aegis Boon -> Deflection (with Ambidexterity if it's up), and so forth.

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Thank god someone finally said it. If your tank is taking max damage all the time you're naturally going to lose hate due to the need of cure bombs. A tank's job isn't just to keep hate, it's to keep overall damage taken low. This causes less cures to be needed, more MP supplied, and time for mages to get off an occasional buff.

Harness in the good energy, block out the bad. Harness. Energy. Block. Bad. It's like a carousel. You put the quarter in, you get on the horse, it goes up and down, and around. Circular, circle. Feel it. Go with the flow.

In FFXI I played SCH @ Faffy and Stoneskinga was so overpowered :D Maybe use 1 Con for Mainhealing and 1 Con for Stoneskinspam + Back Up Heal!

The mage nerf was long overdue. The impossibility to run out of mana simply makes for unchallenging gameplay.

Enemity works when the tank knows what he's doing and uses all the tools up his sleeve. Tanks that rely basically only on provoke/taunt will rightfully be marginalized. Taunts that can mitigate damage, use cures at the right time, rotate shield skills and so forth have no problem whatsoever.

It'll be worked out once the job system and battle system changes happen. Right niw even yoshi said things would be umbalanced until those things get worked on the upcoming two patches. We have to use what we until those changes happen.