Dzemeal Darkhold Final Boss is a BEAST. Easy mode is over.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

People will undoubtedly post strategies and videos and all of that for the fights, but you can't expect them to feel obligated to. That wasn't the point of this thread (as I read it). There is nothing wrong with looking for tips on a fight if that is what you want to do, but just like people shouldn't be bashing you for it neither should you attack people for posting their accomplishment and impressions of the dungeon as being selfish for not also including a detailed strategy of how they accomplished it. The dungeon just came out today, give it some time for information about the various fights it contains to seep out.

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I agree with you 100% im just really tired and need sleep bad. I ran this fight several times with no luck today It has left me feeling tired and like a lousy player (not the best combo mind you :) ) I will wait a few days then try again. On the up side I can use my vast gathering skillz to get some dark matter grade 5 wahoo! :)

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Originally Posted by Orcishgrappler

If you say so, im just still very shocked I final fantasy community I remeber from 11 was always very happy to give advice/strats without bashing. Times change I realize I will adapt as well :) (no need to reply to this comment with more making me feel bad about myself thanks in advance ^^)

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Not trying to make you feel bad about yourself at all. My apologies if it seems that way.

I was just pointing out that "pointers" and "detailed strats" are very different things :-p. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with giving tips for a couple particularly nasty spots or whatever.

I actually felt kinda bad - genuinely, not condescendingly - that you were so quick to sorta say "I give up" and ask for a strat guide before you had even (presumably) even tried the dungeon/bosses once.

I guess I consider figuring out the strategy *to* defeat something to be as much part of the experience as then successfully executing it. There's that "a ha!" moment where you realize what's going on and the mob (or encounter) "gives up its secrets" to you... and then it's just a matter of time before you've succeeded and it's another one in the books.

At the end of the day, if people wanna use strat guides, they're going to use them. That's the way of it and has been for a long time now. I even give in and resort to using them sometimes, though only after I've given something several genuine attempts without them and am simply not making any progress. In those cases, I usually end up /facepalming when I read them and realize there was one very simple or obvious detail I was completely overlooking.

I also realize that there's a population of players who are strictly reward-driven. They're not interested in figuring out how to complete the content, they're only interested in the rewards they get for completing it. So, a strat guide is simply a means to an end for them.

I also believe there's a very clear connection between people wanting to use walkthrough guides for everything and that people are becoming more and more bored with content, more quickly, as time goes on.

When I see remarks from people like, "No content in a MMO is difficult because there are strategy guides online for it", it really paints the entire picture for me. And I've seen that statement more times than I can even begin to recall. It doesn't even occur to these people that the content likely *would* be more difficult or challenging if they *didn't* use the guides in the first place. But they never give it that chance. 'course, they'd also be complaining about "wiping too much".

-shrug-

Anyway... not trying to make you feel bad about yourself.

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Originally Posted by Orcishgrappler

If you say so, im just still very shocked I final fantasy community I remeber from 11 was always very happy to give advice/strats without bashing. Times change I realize I will adapt as well :) (no need to reply to this comment with more making me feel bad about myself thanks in advance ^^)

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erm we only have 2 dungeon at the moment...at least dont spoil the fun....

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Originally Posted by Orcishgrappler

I agree with you 100% im just really tired and need sleep bad. I ran this fight several times with no luck today It has left me feeling tired and like a lousy player (not the best combo mind you :) ) I will wait a few days then try again. On the up side I can use my vast gathering skillz to get some dark matter grade 5 wahoo! :)

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Don't worry even with strategies you find on the internet it will still be that much more satisfying when you finally beat the thing give that you've bashed your head against the walls a few times!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Don't worry even with strategies you find on the internet it will still be that much more satisfying when you finally beat the thing give that you've bashed your head against the walls a few times!

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Yarp. I just gathered me up some dark matter and listened to the new music in the forest. I'm feeling better already ^^. It will all work out when it works out. Thanks Murugan people can always count on Triple Spark for good advice and a kind word :)

Sory guys I crashed hard after being awake so long.

Back at the dungeon to get that last boss down.

Got him down to 60% then ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

lol

So dungeons are difficult, eh? That's really great news.^^

Well, it's not "EASY"

I assume most of the population will take 3 weeks

This is the only strategy you need to clear the dungeon

SE wanted to make Culinarians relevant. In order to defeat the bosses you need to bake them some Dzemael Gratin.

Grats guys, I do have a question (not about strats) about loots, can you give us an idea if crafting items drop to make crafted gear (like the NMs) or if its just only gear so far, and also is the gear bound?