Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Rivienne

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this i agree but some "toxic" wont agree with you
like i said before,i watch video still die alot when first time in hm ifrit
please to those who just want pro/experience/elitist use party finder
we all want better game environment and some of us not even got time bec "job".
if still use df,pls expect newbies/noob/mistakes

you pay to play and so do other, can we just be dbag/elitist/no time to teach/watch video for ourself and not show to other?please?for the sake of other people enjoyment
SE already implement party finder for the sake of you guys so you will not mistakely get noob/newbies in group

Ok so aftet reading the whole thread, I am now convinced that watching videos & reading guides and stuff allows you to be able to win any content in the game..

After the obvious fact that said videos & guides were made by people going blindly... I have a little and boring question :
Why, after a month of reading and watching, and 2 weeks trying, am I still unable to go past twintania p2 ?

For the record, I have blasted everything but T5 and Ex primald blindly until now. experience comes with trying, not watching. If people do not want beginners in their group, just CREATE yours with friends and do ALL content together. never again people to waste your time.

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Originally Posted by Kirosuu

so tell, why do those kind of people use df and expect them to be expert?thats the main problem.why cant those kind of people do it?or do you part of those people too?
i understand if using pf but in df?really?

also i put pride or so you call it and do my part and explaining part.spend time to explain save more time than leave them alone, right?
i was a noob like them but cant go to coil just because no experience to join coil. but im not mad. maybe bec my gear so i just grind gear.

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Why join a PF exp group when you don't have the exp? lol Same situation.

DF will always be extremes. You can hide behind anonymity and will never see most of the people there again.

Even with these hindrances, you can still learn quite a lot in DF.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Ok so aftet reading the whole thread, I am now convinced that watching videos & reading guides and stuff allows you to be able to win any content in the game..

After the obvious fact that said videos & guides were made by people going blindly... I have a little and boring question :
Why, after a month of reading and watching, and 2 weeks trying, am I still unable to go past twintania p2 ?

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P2? Are you stuck on conflags or stuck on divebombs? Divebombs are the hardest part of the encounter.

Videos will help immensely on conflag, twister/dreadknight, snake burn, and liquid hellx5/egg stage. And I mean immensely. There are quite a few YT videos out right now on tactics for divebombs. There are also widgets that take all the guess work out of it.

Divebombs are something everyone needs to pass or you will most likely fail. Go watch a video. Guarantee you that you will find people saying, "Up up up" when divebombs trigger using voice comm. or mention something when the 2nd set of divebombs are about to hit. You can use macros and cooldowns to track time between the two sets of divebombs too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOA2gm0tE64

Did you learn anything about conflags/divebombs from this? "Everyone together" for fireball/"On us", people calling out names of those who have fireball/conflag. on them, Ruin calling out short conflags., people telling you when they're conflagged, where DPS needs to increase,

Not only that but you get positioning, where she should be tanked, where virus/eye are used for mitigation from party chat, how to deal with snake debuff, when to use LB/cooldowns that people call out, etc

Just so much information in one video that wasn't even meant to be a tutorial.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

If people do not want beginners in their group, just CREATE yours with friends and do ALL content together. never again people to waste your time.

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The same is true for people joining exp groups with no exp: form your own group. You know they have a "new players welcome" and "until we complete our duty" check mark, right? You can also put, "We're a learning group. Come join us." in your comment. I've seen quite a few of these myself. I'm glad people are using PF this way.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Why join a PF exp group when you don't have the exp? lol Same situation.

DF will always be extremes. You can hide behind anonymity and will never see most of the people there again.

Even with these hindrances, you can still learn quite a lot in DF.

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i hate it but i agree
thats why for the purpose of this discussion which only represent minority can make change even a little

It's really funny looking at the majority of the ENG community.

First they wish for "elitists" to stay out of DF. Okay, done.

Then they QQ on and on about how they're excluded from groups and PF because they're inexperienced.

Does nobody see the irony of this here?

I've read some of your stories and just because a few people are too thick to follow simple directions doesn't mean everyone needs to watch a video. Plus what's the fun in that?

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

OP has 3 likes, this has 64. That's what's terrible about this community.

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Common sense makes for a terrible community?

That is most definitely not common sense. You have resources, use them. Expecting people to carry you through everything doesn't make players like me "toxic", it's the other way around.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I'm a bit confused why all 3 other people don't want to talk, but I figured I could gauge their knowledge from the trash pulls up to the first boss.

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I once queued a titan HM for kicks (30+ min queue), got in, tank asked if anyone was new, someone said they were. Tank instantly dropped before even first attempt, run ruined, queue wasted (this was before In Progress was allowed on trials).

But the attitude that it should be expected for people know fights before they attempt them contributes to this, leading to people sometimes being afraid to admit it's their first time. I am always happy to explain things for new people.

The last time I was in DF Pharos, 2 people were new. One even mentioned having queued this before, only seen to first boss due to people quitting after 1 wipe.

I explained everything as we went, and we 1 shot the whole dungeon, with just 1 death doing an optional room (one at the bottom of the spiral stairs) which we recovered from without wipe, and I walked away with 3 commendations as a DPS. Just because people are new to content, doesn't mean that it will necessarily take longer, if you take a moment to explain things.

I choose the resource of first hand experience. 2 to 3 tries to get the gist of a fight isn't being carried.

Tank made the right call. Titan HM df is nightmare enough without someone joining it without a clue.