Summoners have actually ruined this game's PvP

PoM is a good talent but using it for Poly is silly. Since Poly has such a quick cast. Its the same deal here, I'm talking about needing an instant Sleep is not needed. You don't need Nightwing when you are good at using Aetherial Manipulation + Surecast. You're just feeding subpar play and too much dependence. I haven't even mention using Mana Wall and Mana Ward too.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

PoM is a good talent but using it for Poly is silly. Since Poly has such a quick cast. Its the same deal here, I'm talking about needing an instant Sleep is not needed. You don't need Nightwing when you are good at using Aetherial Manipulation + Surecast. You're just feeding subpar play and too much dependence. I haven't even mention using Mana Wall and Mana Ward too.

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Subpar?
Being able to pop an instant CC during a kill window is far, far better than trying to hardcast a sleep, even if it's only 20 seconds.

That alone is reason to take it.

The exact same way PoM was best used.
For a PoM poly or PoM RoF to wreck the healer.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

PoM is a good talent but using it for Poly is silly. Since Poly has such a quick cast. Its the same deal here, I'm talking about needing an instant Sleep is not needed. You don't need Nightwing when you are good at using Aetherial Manipulation + Surecast. You're just feeding subpar play and too much dependence. I haven't even mention using Mana Wall and Mana Ward too.

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Say you are about to land a kill on a target. Swiftcast is down. healer isnt sleeping but is about to cast lustrate or benediction. Your saying you are going to hard cast sleep over an instant sleep? Wierd

@DJ

If you play a BLM long enough your first priority sleep is the Healer then followed by everyone else you will have the healer on Focus and in safe LoS. You always precast your sleep on the healer and when the enemy is about to drop you let it go, cause they will most definitely break out of it. It is really that simple.

@Quackley

I agree PoM RoF is ok because RoF has a long cast time but Poly is 1.5 and GCD is 1.5 there is no reason to do it you benefit nothing doing that. Sides during RoF time PoM poly was non existant. People PoM RoF to a hard DF CC.

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

Say you are about to land a kill on a target. Swiftcast is down. healer isnt sleeping but is about to cast lustrate or benediction. Your saying you are going to hard cast sleep over an instant sleep? Wierd

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2.5>0, therefor 2.5s cast is better than 0s cast, didn't you know?

I play with some blm and we never sleep healer first...Little thing we like to call switching in the pvp community. Focus healer sleep dps make him use his purify then bam sleep switch kill simple. I dont know why people think sleeping healers in the beginning is good...well of course against people who dont know how to play defensive it works i guess.

This thread is pretty entertaining, keep it going!

I just don't understand man.
There's quite a few ways to stop a casted sleep, by any member of a team.

There's so many situations in which Nightwing is incredibly beneficial, more than what you would gain from spending it elsewhere. :/

@Nachi

Even if I'm forced to take Nightwing I will only use it for the 3rd sleep nothing earlier. Pre-cast is your friend people seriously.... Most of the time when healer is being slept they will target you. Pre-casting Sleep allows you to deter him from purifying it, if he does it is a risk he takes.

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Originally Posted by neminis

This thread is pretty entertaining, keep it going!

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That's my job. ;)