They wouldnt lie if the community wasnt so volatile and unwilling to accept people who havent done it before. The OP is not helping with this situation. It took me weeks to even get my first run of AK in because I would lead off with "Greetings! I'm still new to this instance so any advise or tips are greatly appreciated." then every time people would drop. So much for honesty...
Stop lying to your groups
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11-25-2013, 11:32 PMMageBlack
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11-25-2013, 11:43 PMFinagleABagel
Liars are pathetic. Period - there is no defense of it whatsoever.
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11-25-2013, 11:45 PMMordermi
I think the problem is that most "experienced" people aren't like the OP. People are taught from the very beginning that people will leave if they find out that you are new. Here is my story:
I was a MRD, and new to the game, as was most everyone else (this was right around release, so everyone was new except for legacy). I queued up for Sastasha, and waited, anxious about my very first dungeon. DF pops, I accept. I felt obligated to be honest with my group, and inform them that I was new, so I did. "This is my first dungeon. Could you please share any special tips that I should know. I read a guide online, but haven't actually run the dungeon yet." I said. Oh wait.. The healer left? And the one DPS? Wow..
The VERY first dungeon, less than a week after release, two people left my DF group because I was new. This is why I can understand people not wanting to be open about being new. That being said, I strongly disagree with flat out lying, especially when joining a pre-made /shout group. But ever since my very first DF experience, I have always been afraid to admit that I am new to a dungeon. I am still honest, because that's just the type of person I am, but I also usually have a healer friend queue with me. Worst case scenario with my own healer is that we have to wait two minutes for another DPS if one quits.
My advice to the people that want honesty in DF; Make it clear that you just want to help. If you just ask "Is anyone new?", then they will likely assume that you are going to quit if they are. I know I still assume people will ditch if they know someone is new. -
11-25-2013, 11:49 PMFyce
YOU ARE A NEWBIE
This is the first time you are doing the Dungeon/Primordial, or this is the first time you're doing it as your current job. This is what you have to do, because it's your role as a newbie:
- Try to read a guide or watch a video about the run you want to do. There are some spoiler-free if you want, they will summarize what you should expect and what you need to be aware of.
- Say that you are new and if you will watch the cutscenes (tip: you can skip them and watch them again at the inn).
- Show that you are willing to learn, and learn. What it means is: you have to learn and avoid doing the same mistake twice.
- Check your own gear, repair it if need be. Also, be sure that your gear is suited to the content you want to do. If you can overgear (like, leveling up 45 for Garuda (normal) and doing your job quest, or farming a few FATEs to grab some stuff from your Company), do it. But don't go in if your weapon or most of your armor is obsolete. Reason is: as a tank you might lose aggro, as DPS you might not win some "DPS Race battle", and as a Healer, you might simply die and condemn your party to an avoidable death.
YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED PLAYER
- Shout for a group/for mates if you want a speedrun. Don't use the Duty Finder or you might meet newbies who won't be able to go as fast as you want.
- Ask if someone is new, because you will need to explain the strategy if someone is.
- Explain the strategy. It's faster to tell people how to do something rather than finding another group, dying over and over again, and even faster that swearing. Newbies role is to learn, yours is to teach.
- You will be a newbie every time you change your job role for a dungeon or a primordial. Your placement won't be the same, your focus will change and the general pace of the battle will be different. You'll also be a newbie each time new content will be released. Don't forget it.
- Welcome newbies. Newbies won't be for long. Being a newbie and being bad is not the same thing. You can meet a great newbie who will learn a lot of stuff on the fly and ends up being one of the best player you ran with so far. He/she might even be better than you in the end.
If you don't do this, whether or not you are a newbie or experienced, I have to inform you that you are a bad player. Therefore you are ugly, no one likes you and you deserve to have bad groups.
However, if you are doing what I just said, you are beautiful and your mom is really proud of you.
Oh, and, don't forget two things:
- the "MVP" system coming in. Being nice and helpful will mostly be rewarded.
- the kicking system. Lying as a newbie or being a hateful experienced player will probably "reward" you with a kick. -
11-25-2013, 11:51 PMFinagleABagelWrong. How exactly do you think all of us figured it out? How do you think we became good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyce
It has something to do about testing content for yourself and developing your own strategies. If you spoon feed a noob you will make that noob a bad player and do him/her a huge disservice. If a noob simply tries to copy what you do verbatim, boot em - they are a lost cause. Provide video tutorials at MOST, do not carry. Ever. -
11-25-2013, 11:52 PMSleepyMonkey
Nowdays, pretty much all you need to get experience with content is watch a video on youtube. Therefor, it's easier to not be horrible.
However, it's funny to go Titan and watch a full P5 experience group eat most of the landslides, plumes and bombs before P5. I guess they indeed had P5 experience but they never got to learn P1-4 ;) -
11-25-2013, 11:59 PMSuellen
I have a question to those that form pugs or looking for extra members in their Titan/Coil or whatever runs. When you do your shout do you say "lf3m 1 healer 2 dps Titan HM. New players welcome" ?
I imagine if you were upfront about that you'd beless likely to get new people lying. Just a thought. -
11-26-2013, 12:02 AMFyceIf you know a boss strat and you don't explain it to newbies in your group, then you're terrible. Especially if you are the one complaining about these "newbies".Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel
Also, please read the entire post you're quoting from. I said, in the "You are a newbie" part, the role of the new player is also to try and get as much information as possible before running the dungeon.
But this doesn't replace live feedback and direct explanations from experienced players. It's just complementary.
So now, if you are not willing to share a bit of your knowledge in order for your group to perform well when new players are asking for advice regarding the upcoming battle(s), please leave the game and go play single player titles, because you are not helping anyone, you included. -
11-26-2013, 12:09 AMflamds1well by your own explanation, you must be a bad player if a person trying to emulate your strategies is a reason to be booted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel
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11-26-2013, 12:19 AMFinagleABagelExcept for the whole piece where we developed our strategy together, as a group - copying no one.Quote:
Originally Posted by flamds1
Ridiculous. You do realize that there are several different valid general strategies for every turn before you even consider the composition of the party - right? I don't want my FC copying my groups strategy because we don't run a BLM/SMN. If another raid group does - you should adjust accordingly. We explain mechanics and how we handled them. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyce
Also - you clearly didn't read my entire post.