How would you fix Warrior?

Why not just separate warrior and paladin armor so that warrior tank armor gives him stats that matter? If he gained crit rating or determination it would effectively increase his damage out effectively increasing his healing output and it would still require skill to play. My only poke at Warrior, though I'm only level 40 is the gear at higher levels start leaning toward Parry which in my opinion is a skill that's more for Paladin then for Warrior.

You would need to boost Warrior damage to ludicrous amounts to be honest.
Just make IB scale with health.

Ain't a warrior, but thought Holmgang could use a buff up. Maybe a parry boost in addition to its current effect. Not spectacular, given its long cooldown. Bringing back dat Steadfast. Just throwin' it out there one ability at a time.

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Originally Posted by Leiron

You would need to boost Warrior damage to ludicrous amounts to be honest.
Just make IB scale with health.

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I disagree. you can effectively hold hate without spaming enmity moves if you didn't stat All Vit. Currently my inner beast at 40 heals up to 8-900 damage and I haven't spec'd all str either. So if you have a rotation involving inner beast and Storms Eye you can effectively keep your life up to survivable levels over the course of a battle. But then too I am only 40. If I decide to hit endgame to test out Parry armor I'll tell you how it goes but as it stands the armor to me looks like the only downfall. But I'm just level 40.

Oh and Inner Beast or IB has a damage potency of 300 and it heals you 300% of the damage it deals. It doesn't need a scale.

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Originally Posted by Uliq

I disagree. you can effectively hold hate without spaming enmity moves if you didn't stat All Vit. Currently my inner beast at 40 heals up to 8-900 damage and I haven't spec'd all str either. So if you have a rotation involving inner beast and Storms Eye you can effectively keep your life up to survivable levels over the course of a battle.

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His point was that to increase your damage enough to even remotely come close to offering the mitigation that Shield oath, block, and Rage of Halone offers, a WAR would need to routinely drop Inner Beasts for ~5000 HP against high DPS.

If you boosted WAR dps to the point where you could average 5000 inner beast heals, WAR would suddenly become simultaneously the tank and the top DPS.

Adding more Crit / DET on gear would do very little for WAR survivability lategame. You get better returns on survivability from Parry rating than you would from increasing your damage via other stats.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

If you boosted WAR dps to the point where you could average 5000 inner beast heals, WAR would suddenly become simultaneously the tank and the top DPS.

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My Goal isn't to increase it to the levels of the Paladins damage mitigation. It's just to offer a fix to the current issues. Your trying to take a class that's good and make it equal another class that's good. War doesn't need the damage mitigation because it's damage is much higher then Paladin so fights end faster then with a Paladin. If you gave war the same values for determination + criticla rating instead of Parry you'd have the same effect. Shield oath, block, rage of Halone vs Storms Eye, Blood Bath, Inner Beast.

Basically MRD armor up to 32 gave stats it could use. Your trading Determination = strength for parry = dexterity.

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Originally Posted by Uliq

I disagree. you can effectively hold hate without spaming enmity moves if you didn't stat All Vit. Currently my inner beast at 40 heals up to 8-900 damage and I haven't spec'd all str either. So if you have a rotation involving inner beast and Storms Eye you can effectively keep your life up to survivable levels over the course of a battle. But then too I am only 40. If I decide to hit endgame to test out Parry armor I'll tell you how it goes but as it stands the armor to me looks like the only downfall. But I'm just level 40.

Oh and Inner Beast or IB has a damage potency of 300 and it heals you 300% of the damage it deals. It doesn't need a scale.

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You go all Vitality so you have the health to survive getting hit.
Inner beast does NOT scale as quickly as damage taken from bosses scales and it NEVER will in its current state.
*facedesks*

That is why people want IB to be changed.
It does NOT scale as well as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Leiron

You go all Vitality
Inner beast does NOT scale as quickly as damage taken from bosses scales and it NEVER will in its current state.

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You.. A 50 Paladin and 36 MRD is arguing with me about getting hit for death. IB doesn't scale if you are stating vit because the class is meant to be stated Strength. It scales enough if you play the class right. Parry isn't saving you from poss hits either way because the tiny bit of avoidance your getting from the armor along with the tiny bit of avoidance you already have as a MRD from Dex isn't anything to things level 50.

Stating all Vit you are also more focused on keeping hate you cannot use the abilities you need to keep your health up while your building your wrath, which means your dieing anyway. talking about storms path 250 potency 50% heal from damage dealt. Everyone so busy focusing on survivability. Focus on tanking let the healers worry about healing. Your only focus is not to die in 3-5 hits.

buffing our heals in some way or the other will never fix the mitigation problem. simply because heals are reactive, aka you heal after you get hit, but if you take massive spike damage, you can't heal anymore, since you're dead.
changing the selfheals we have now to damage absorbs would fix that for a large part, since you can load up the absorb shield, before a big hit lands.

Brut

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Originally Posted by Brutallyn

buffing our heals in some way or the other will never fix the mitigation problem. simply because heals are reactive, aka you heal after you get hit, but if you take massive spike damage, you can't heal anymore, since you're dead.
changing the selfheals we have now to damage absorbs would fix that for a large part, since you can load up the absorb shield, before a big hit lands.

Brut

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This is true in all cases but doing that you may as well play Paladin

On another note adding determination instead of Parry to Warrior armor will increase IB damage potency