It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The tyranny of being forced to view bad/silly/thot glams needs to end. Just stick everyone in their job af gear. Make it a toggle.

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Get the ppl going out in public that shouldn't be wearing yoga pants to stop wearing yoga pants out in public and we'll think about it... >.>

Those sights are more damaging to people than anything possible in this game.

Censorship of any kind is a blight and the last thing the world needs is any toggle. Nobody cares if someone's personal choice of attire offends you, a shared world is precisely that. Being able to mute someone's image in a community environment is a stones throw away from muting their voice and persona in general. Now go and get on with something else. This topic is laughable and I am all out of quaint 'woke' quotes for those whacked specimens out there.

Looking at your lodestone you're guilty as well.
A drg shouldn't be in skin tight jeans, a snapback, sneaker, and frilly jacket either, right?

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Originally Posted by Likethewind

Looking at your lodestone you're guilty as well.
A drg shouldn't be in skin tight jeans, a snapback, sneaker, and frilly jacket either, right?

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Finally something to make this thread worthwhile...

A plot twist.

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Originally Posted by Likethewind

Looking at your lodestone you're guilty as well.
A drg shouldn't be in skin tight jeans, a snapback, sneaker, and frilly jacket either, right?

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If you are talking about op, they have long since bailed.

Yeah it's not quite the gotcha these new posters think it is to call out OP on their current outfit considering this thread is well over a year old. They probably either accepted it or got over it at this point.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Yeah it's not quite the gotcha these new posters think it is to call out OP on their current outfit considering this thread is well over a year old. They probably either accepted it or got over it at this point.

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Alot of ppl probably don't look at the date of the first post in the thread. Hence why necro'd threads tend to get a bunch of responses from ppl before someone points it out.

I am and darn.

Not going to lie the amount of slipperly slope stance is extremely assuming.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Not going to lie the amount of slipperly slope stance is extremely assuming.

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Yup.

Proposal: Allow filtering of glamors

Argument: YOU WANT RACIAL PURITY!

... naw.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Yup.

Proposal: Allow filtering of glamors

Argument: YOU WANT RACIAL PURITY!

... naw.

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Ya, the other side is not any better.

The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.

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Originally Posted by Odstarva

Before everyone jumps at your neck thirsting for blood, let me say that... I... I agree...


Everyone should be able to play however they like, and wear whatever they like.
But I for myself would enjoy dungeon runs better if tanks weren't wearing bikinis and in slippers...


It doesn't affect gameplay, I'll hear detractors say. Well, neither does glamour and yet we all use it. It'd be the same deal here.

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I can't agree more, please for the love of everything.

this please

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean all people seem to be asking for is a toggle to put everyone in their job's AF gear. Not changing the glamour options or removing options, just a client side toggle that disables glamour and forces AF gear in its place.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Ya, the other side is not any better.

The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.

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From what I can tell those in support of the feature do not wish to detract anything from another player, they just wish to have the ability to enhance their own experience by altering or removing the certain items. The dev’s vision will still be upheld for the general player base.

I know that is my stance, I do not wish to remove any glam from the game, just from my sight. If this is an ego driven stance, then so be it. Though then I would say the other side of the coin is an ego driven stance also, since it more or less boils down to tough not much you can do about expect close your eyes or don’t play.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Ya, the other side is not any better.

The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.

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There are extremes on either side, quite so. Yet there are also reasonable discussions about possible implementations that address MANY complaints.

It's not ego-maniacal to want a game that I pay to access, and payed for the hardware to run and the internet access to play be customizable and allow me to RP my character and story as I please without affecting others.

My personal character story having a stoic warrior of light, who supposedly chooses stalwart and competent companions to do battle in these warrens full of baddies, becomes a little jarring when one of these people shows up in jammies and it would be nice if I had an option to fix that.

My personal stance isn't that "omg it breaks so much immersion". It's that It's hard to live out the story I want to in this game when people are literally trying their hardest to be as goofy as possible and I'm forced to deal with it with no recourse.

The makers of this game do have a vision and I've noticed that aside from notably non mandatory stories it's kept to a certain tone and aesthetic. I believe this is done on purpose and they've mentioned so themselves.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

There are extremes on either side, quite so. Yet there are also reasonable discussions about possible implementations that address MANY complaints.

It's not ego-maniacal to want a game that I pay to access, and payed for the hardware to run and the internet access to play be customizable and allow me to RP my character and story as I please without affecting others.

My personal character story having a stoic warrior of light, who supposedly chooses stalwart and competent companions to do battle in these warrens full of baddies, becomes a little jarring when one of these people shows up in jammies and it would be nice if I had an option to fix that.

My personal stance isn't that "omg it breaks so much immersion". It's that It's hard to live out the story I want to in this game when people are literally trying their hardest to be as goofy as possible and I'm forced to deal with it with no recourse.

The makers of this game do have a vision and I've noticed that aside from notably non mandatory stories it's kept to a certain tone and aesthetic. I believe this is done on purpose and they've mentioned so themselves.

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What you want is not supported by the lore. Yes, you are the warrior of light and all that, but the lore comments about how adventures fashion, and just how weird they are. The silly stuff that people wear, that is supported in the lore.

Adventures being goofy with outfits is part of the lore of the world. Yes you have a main plot that keeps the goofy stuff out, but that does not mean all the side stuff are "Filler" they are part of the lore and world as well.


Your story does not fit the narrative of the game UNLESS you go out of your way to only invite players from a Linkshell that you have the same views as you, but if you use duty finder. Than your rp needs to understand the world you live in, as adventures that are weird, adventures that wear dumb things, and just don't care. That is the lore and world your char lives in, and turning a blind eye to that is bad rp in my honest view. But, I don't RP so it is not like my two cents on what is good and bad matters.

I mean all people seem to be asking for is a toggle to put everyone in their job's AF gear. Not changing the glamour options or removing options, just a client side toggle that disables glamour and forces AF gear in its place.

like if you would let this lore friendly roegadyn npc in your party

https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff9d5929...fa5fd2e2ff.png

ignore for ascian devilry

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

What you want is not supported by the lore. Yes, you are the warrior of light and all that, but the lore comments about how adventures fashion, and just how weird they are. The silly stuff that people wear, that is supported in the lore.

Adventures being goofy with outfits is part of the lore of the world. Yes you have a main plot that keeps the goofy stuff out, but that does not mean all the side stuff are "Filler" they are part of the lore and world as well.



Your story does not fit the narrative of the game UNLESS you go out of your way to only invite players from a Linkshell that you have the same views as you, but if you use duty finder. Than your rp needs to understand the world you live in, as adventures that are weird, adventures that wear dumb things, and just don't care. That is the lore and world your char lives in, and turning a blind eye to that is bad rp in my honest view. But, I don't RP so it is not like my two cents on what is good and bad matters.

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.. so you think my RP that I choose to engage with in this game is against the RP that I should play because the designers put it in the game SOMEWHERE so I HAVE to work that in even though they also made it compartmentalized so that I wouldn't have to engage in it if I didn't want to but the fact that it exists means I HAVE to account for it?

It's a game yo. If I want to pretend in my head that I'm someone and my motivations are such, why is that bad? If I would like options to support that playstyle that in no perceivable way affects anyone else why is that bad?

I'm not turning a blind eye to the lore, I accept that out there are adventurers who wish to appear silly or talk a certain way or even PRETEND that they're actually running dungeons in a speedo and pighead. But my character, who I get to create motivations for, is my realm of play as long as it only affects me. My characters progression through the story is affected by people yukking it up with obtuse glamours. Why don't I deserve to have tools to fix that?

The fact you don't RP and just play the game means that all you're here to do is be contrary. If you don't RP you don't care what lore is "valid" or even why people value their stories. You're just here to poke.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

like if you would let this lore friendly roegadyn npc in your party

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Might I remind you that if you're paying attention to the actual lore.. that guy is a cheat and a fake. Very much so I would not wish him in my party of adventurers I trust my life to.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Might I remind you that if you're paying attention to the actual lore.. that guy is a cheat and a fake. Very much so I would not wish him in my party of adventurers I trust my life to.

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slander! ill have you know he slew both tidus AND leviabeetus!

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

.. so you think my RP that I choose to engage with in this game is against the RP that I should play because the designers put it in the game SOMEWHERE so I HAVE to work that in even though they also made it compartmentalized so that I wouldn't have to engage in it if I didn't want to but the fact that it exists means I HAVE to account for it?

It's a game yo. If I want to pretend in my head that I'm someone and my motivations are such, why is that bad? If I would like options to support that playstyle that in no perceivable way affects anyone else why is that bad?

I'm not turning a blind eye to the lore, I accept that out there are adventurers who wish to appear silly or talk a certain way or even PRETEND that they're actually running dungeons in a speedo and pighead. But my character, who I get to create motivations for, is my realm of play as long as it only affects me. My characters progression through the story is affected by people yukking it up with obtuse glamours. Why don't I deserve to have tools to fix that?

The fact you don't RP and just play the game means that all you're here to do is be contrary. If you don't RP you don't care what lore is "valid" or even why people value their stories. You're just here to poke.

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So you accept the lore supports this. So why should a option to change how these people dress that is supported in the lore and the world be added?



I'm just confused. Because of how you RP. You think that a option should be added to turn off what your person sees, even if you fully accept that it is part of the lore of the game. I'm trying to understand your side from a RP point, yet everything that I learn about RP says that what you want makes no sense.

also should we add a toggle that replaces whisper-a-go-go and the ffxv car with chocobos or are they rp friendly?

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

So you accept the lore supports this. So why should a option to change how these people dress that is supported in the lore and the world be added?

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Because this is a video game people play for entertainment and if an option can be added that enhances that entertainment and allows MORE engagement it should be considered.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I'm just confused. Because of how you RP. You think that a option should be added to turn off what your person sees, even if you fully accept that it is part of the lore of the game. I'm trying to understand your side from a RP point, yet everything that I learn about RP says that what you want makes no sense.

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Because RP is a fantasy thing. I"m well aware you don't understand why or how. You're also taking this from the perspective that I think all changes should somehow NEED to be explained by ingame mechanics or lore. This idea gets broken all the time. The final consideration of any feature should be whether it enhances or improves the experience not whether we can justify why we've never seen child lalafell or not.


We have a UI that isn't explained by anything. We have the capability to stave off the "end of the world" until we get around to it... my desire for this is because I would be able to enjoy my experience more, not because I think they're committing some sort of Lore Faux-pas.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

also should we add a toggle that replaces whisper-a-go-go and the ffxv car with chocobos or are they rp friendly?

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I've already seen someone in this thread argue that we should be able to do that exact thing so there are people of that mindset.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Because this is a video game people play for entertainment and if an option can be added that enhances that entertainment and allows MORE engagement it should be considered.





Because RP is a fantasy thing. I"m well aware you don't understand why or how. You're also taking this from the perspective that I think all changes should somehow NEED to be explained by ingame mechanics or lore. This idea gets broken all the time. The final consideration of any feature should be whether it enhances or improves the experience not whether we can justify why we've never seen child lalafell or not.


We have a UI that isn't explained by anything. We have the capability to stave off the "end of the world" until we get around to it... my desire for this is because I would be able to enjoy my experience more, not because I think they're committing some sort of Lore Faux-pas.

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Ok so you just want it change because you would get more enjoyment out of it. Alright that is all I need to know. That is perfectly understandable, more so than people saying it breaks immersion.



Well I do see two problems with that, One fashion is a end game statement for most players. Giving players an option to turn off what I spend millions of gil on, devalues glam items for me. Taking away my fun. Also what you want goes against the very nature of what a MMORPG is, when it comes to how players look.


So since this is a game in your words. Your option would do more harm for others than good.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Ok so you just want it change because you would get more enjoyment out of it. Alright that is all I need to know. That is perfectly understandable, more so than people saying it breaks immersion.



Well I do see two problems with that, One fashion is a end game statement for most players. Giving players an option to turn off what I spend millions of gil on, devalues glam items for me. Taking away my fun. Also what you want goes against the very nature of what a MMORPG is, when it comes to how players look.


So since this is a game in your words. Your option would do more harm for others than good.

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You would not know though, since it is client side only way for it to ruin your fun or devalue your glam is if you operate under the assumption that many people around you will be using the feature. The option itself will not inherently detract from your enjoyment or value of your glam.

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Originally Posted by Awha

You would not know though, since it is client side only way for it to ruin your fun or devalue your glam is if you operate under the assumption that many people around you will be using the feature. The option itself will not inherently detract from your enjoyment or value of your glam.

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in that case can we have a client side toggle to put EVERYONE in speedos for my enjoyment?

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Well I do see two problems with that, One fashion is a end game statement for most players. Giving players an option to turn off what I spend millions of gil on, devalues glam items for me. Taking away my fun.

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It's a consideration. But I've spoken to a LOT of people about this (yes I talk to real people about video game forum drama) and so far none of them even blinked when I proposed it. So while you can definitely vote with your personal "I can't stand to think other people might not see the carefully crafted glamour I made" tick, it remains to be seen whether this is an outlier or even a significant section of the population. Every change to a game has opposition, the value lies in whether it makes it more fun for more people than disappoints. Lots of people liked 1.0 as well.. that didn't work out so great.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Also what you want goes against the very nature of what a MMORPG is, when it comes to how players look.

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The "nature" of an MMORPG is playing games in a themed world with many others online. There's no worldwide accepted need to be perceived as conceived and many games actually HAVE built in options to reduce and change other players impact and appearance on your experience. There's no laws to follow here.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

So since this is a game in your words. Your option would do more harm for others than good.

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For you.. And noted. I can chalk you up for a vote no.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

in that case can we have a client side toggle to put EVERYONE in speedos for my enjoyment?

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If you want sure make the request it would not phase me at all since I would not know. I mean should something I do not know about bother me?

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Originally Posted by Awha

You would not know though, since it is client side only way for it to ruin your fun or devalue your glam is if you operate under the assumption that many people around you will be using the feature. The option itself will not inherently detract from your enjoyment or value of your glam.

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Would not matter if I know or not. If you have the option. That means I will assume that people do. So I would be like. Ok so why spend all this gil of fashion of some people can just have the option to turn it off?


Ever play a first person shooter? Well, when a game is filled with hackers. Someone who does an amazing shot. You always got this lingering thing in the back of your mind like. Did I just get hacked? Just having that option in the game, will always have that lingering thought of, what is the point of farming for glam if some people not see it.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Would not matter if I know or not. If you have the option. That means I will assume that people do. So I would be like. Ok so why spend all this gil of fashion of some people can just have the option to turn it off?


Ever play a first person shooter? Well, when a game is filled with hackers. Someone who does an amazing shot. You always got this lingering thing in your back of your mind like. Did I just get hacked? Just having that option in the game, will always have that lingering thought of, what is the point of farming for glam if some people not see it.

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Yeah I play FPS games, and no personally I rarely have a lingering thought oh whoa were they a hacker. My response is damn I got outplayed let me peep this mans.

With that said you legit are saying that the mere possibility of people using a toggle to hide your glam will devalue the activity for you? Not going to lie that seems weird to me because the thing is it is already possible so unless you are telling me right now that glam has been devalued for you because of it. I do not see why having more people have access to it would have any further impact.

Overall that is just me, I find some glam to be cringe so I took into my own hands to find a fix. If I get killed by someone and watch them and clearly see they are hacking I just shrug it off and move on to another match. Though once again I get I am generally different, I do not let others determine the value of what I do. If I enjoy something I enjoy, if I like how something looks I wear it, if want to do something I do it. Everyone else be damned.

Why should I care if someone does not want to see me in my frog suit? Why should I care if someone bought a clear for a title I earned? Why should I care if people will initial think I bought a clear for my title because of how common they are?

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Yeah I play FPS games, and no personally I rarely have a lingering thought oh whoa were they a hacker. My response is damn I got outplayed let me peep this mans.

With that said you legit are saying that the mere possibility of people using a toggle to hide your glam will devalue the activity for you? Not going to lie that seems weird to me because the thing is it is already possible so unless you are telling me right now that glam has been devalued for you because of it. I do not see why having more people have access to it would have any further impact.

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I stopped playing PvP FPS games because I didn't feel like listening to all the kids with their fragile ego's screaming that I have to be using hacks or aimbot every time I killed them. I learned how to calculate projectile travel speed and spread and how it related to latency back when 56K dial up was a good internet connection. Now on super low latency broadband connections it's effortless to hit a target. And dumb ppl sitting in obvious places, running around out in the open, or hugging eachother in a spot I can kill them all with 1 explosive just makes it easier.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Yeah I play FPS games, and no personally I rarely have a lingering thought oh whoa were they a hacker. My response is damn I got outplayed let me peep this mans.

With that said you legit are saying that the mere possibility of people using a toggle to hide your glam will devalue the activity for you? Not going to lie that seems weird to me because the thing is it is already possible so unless you are telling me right now that glam has been devalued for you because of it. I do not see why having more people have access to it would have any further impact.

Overall that is just me, I find some glam to be cringe so I took into my own hands to find a fix. If I get killed by someone and watch them and clearly see they are hacking I just shrug it off and move on to another match. Though once again I get I am generally different, I do not let others determine the value of what I do. If I enjoy something I enjoy, if I like how something looks I wear it, if want to do something I do it. Everyone else be damned.

Why should I care if someone does not want to see me in my frog suit? Why should I care if someone bought a clear for a title I earned? Why should I care if people will initial think I bought a clear for my title because of how common they are?

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If the fps has good anti cheat systems, than I would feel that way, but the state of Warzone right now with hackers. I can't help but question when I get outplayed or when I get hacked. I'm not going to learn much and get better if I'm against hackers mostly.

About the mmorpg aspect.
It is because a mmorpg is also a social game. I'm not sure how that is so strange. How we act, the community as a whole reflects on the value of the game and the mmorpg nature of it.


For example, Look at the server clusters. Some lean heavier to RP. Some are just silly, and some focus heavily on end game. If you want to focus and play with people who are heavily into end game. My server would not be your best option would it?


This is what makes an MMORPG. Your fashion, your farming to put things on the market. You undercutting someone, you going into a group. All this has some sort of impact on the world, and also what other players can see.

I'm not saying you really should care, and it is ok to see things as cringe, as that is the impact said player was going for when they made glam im sure, or they thought it was funny. Either way because you find it cringe, that means that person statement was seen liking it or not does not matter in the overall thing.


If you had a option to make all classes wear default class gear. The value of glam items would drop, and it would take away a statement players wishes to make with the fashion they wear. Does that not go against the very nature of a social game like a MMORPG?

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

If you had a option to make all classes wear default class gear. The value of glam items would drop, and it would take away a statement players wishes to make with the fashion they wear.

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If the majority of the players felt and act like you do, maybe. But I would not say this is a given, just a worry. Also on a personal note if the statement you wish to make is "PAY ATTENTION TO ME ALL THE TIME I WANT TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION EVEN IN YOUR CUTSCENES. NEGATIVE ATTENTION IS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE"... then I could do without you.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Does that not go against the very nature of a social game like a MMORPG?

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The capability and opportunity to socialize are the nature of any MMO game along with the requirement of cooperating with other actual players to achieve objectives. It's not within the nature to force those aspects and online games in general need to (and do) put systems in place to refine and regulate a players experience to be more enjoyable and safe such as reporting systems, graphic tuning and the ability to turn off abusable aspects.

I can (and do) play many MMO's (RPGs included) without talking to anyone or ever going beyond absolutely necessary interactions and have enjoyed them just fine. You can enjoy the social aspect, or look for it, but it is not necessary to enjoy the game or to have a game be an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

If the fps has good anti cheat systems, than I would feel that way, but the state of Warzone right now with hackers. I can't help but question when I get outplayed or when I get hacked. I'm not going to learn much and get better if I'm against hackers mostly. About the mmorpg aspect.
It is because a mmorpg is also a social game. I'm not sure how that is so strange. How we act, the community as a whole reflects on the value of the game and the mmorpg nature of it.


For example, Look at the server clusters. Some lean heavier to RP. Some are just silly, and some focus heavily on end game. If you want to focus and play with people who are heavily into end game. My server would not be your best option would it?


This is what makes an MMORPG. Your fashion, your farming to put things on the market. You undercutting someone, you going into a group. All this has some sort of impact on the world, and also what other players can see.

I'm not saying you really should care, and it is ok to see things as cringe, as that is the impact said player was going for when they made glam im sure, or they thought it was funny. Either way because you find it cringe, that means that person statement was seen liking it or not does not matter in the overall thing.


If you had a option to make all classes wear default class gear. The value of glam items would drop, and it would take away a statement players wishes to make with the fashion they wear. Does that not go against the very nature of a social game like a MMORPG?

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I play warzone with friends, and sure many hackers play but overall my squad is still able to get W’s and enjoy ourselves in the process no point letting people that feel the need to cheat to have any impact on our overall enjoyment. Once something is no longer enjoyable I either try to find a fix or make one to make the experience more enjoyable, if I am unable to I jump ship no point. The enjoyable moments will always exist and the experiences will always remain and no player base, company, or change can ever take that away from me. That is my view in that regard.

Unfortunately you are talking to the wrong person when it comes to the social aspect of MMO’s I consider most randoms I meet no better then slightly better NPC’s. Their general experience and feelings matter very little to me overall. With that said I get it if you play such games for a sense for social validation then yes I could see how such a toggle would have a negative impact on your experience and at that point nothing I say matters cause what you are seeking is that aspect of social validation that oneself cannot provide.

Which is cool, I find it strange and to d a degree slightly pathetic (not saying you are this is just a general statement) but that is what is. As for your final point I do have an option that puts people in a default all class robe. It is not 100% perfect do not have the as much free time as I would like to go and swap everything. No toggle have to do it manually and in some cases it does bug out certain NPC’s but it is possible. Though as it stands mods currently do exist that do texture swaps and alter the appearance of certain items. It has no seemed to devalue overall allure of glam.

Reality is you cannot be certain that overall value would go down if the option existed, for it to go down generally majority of the player base would legit have to be so jaded that they generally will assume majority of players will use the toggle as a default. Which I honestly do not see being the case tbh.

Recently saw an old post in r/iamapieceof...excrement.

A home owners association member wanted to propose a dress code for the neighborhood under the hypothesis that a more decent & proper dress code would not only keep undesirables away from their community but also possibly raise property value.

sounds fairly reasonable, right?


/s

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Recently saw an old post in r/iamapieceof...excrement.

A home owners association member wanted to propose a dress code for the neighborhood under the hypothesis that a more decent & proper dress code would not only keep undesirables away from their community but also possibly raise property value.

sounds fairly reasonable, right?


/s

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This is a video game, as it stands we currently have no real world analog that makes what is possible to do client side in the real world. Closest thing we have is to have people imagine the someone wearing something different then what they currently. For the most part I do not think anyone really has a problem with this, that is legit what many are asking for. Outside of very niche outlier situations would a person ever know their appearance was altered.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Recently saw an old post in r/iamapieceof...excrement.

A home owners association member wanted to propose a dress code for the neighborhood under the hypothesis that a more decent & proper dress code would not only keep undesirables away from their community but also possibly raise property value.

sounds fairly reasonable, right?


/s

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Yet another entirely incongruous comparison of real world oppression to a video game option.

A significant portion of my enjoyment cause from looking better than the people around me (fashion hunter). Can't stunt on them if they make me look default.

Why yall bringing real world stuff into this and trying make it about censorship and such. People are just wanting options for their gaming experience.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Recently saw an old post in r/iamapieceof...excrement.

A home owners association member wanted to propose a dress code for the neighborhood under the hypothesis that a more decent & proper dress code would not only keep undesirables away from their community but also possibly raise property value.

sounds fairly reasonable, right?


/s

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Eh would not go that far. This is a game, so real life comparing is silly.


It is ok to disagree with each other without having a moral standing, to add weight to your views. Awha and I don't see eye to eye. Does not mean he is wrong, or I am wrong. We just don't have the same values, and see this game in the same way. So we are not going to agree on this. That does not mean I need to pull out real world examples, to beat his point of view, or anything like that.

At the end of the day, the developers will make the choice. If they add this option, I will not like it, but no game is perfect, and I will work around it. Just like I expect them to work around this issue that they don't agree with. I would not expect something out of someone at the very least I can't do. Even though, they can tell me to stick my expection where the sun don't shine and that would be legit also lol.